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Loopy_Girl

Wasteland_Drifter wrote: »

Parental rights are not the same as parental responsibility.

You said...

Parental rights and responsibilites come under the same umbrella - you can't have one without the other.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/ParentsRights/DG_4002954

So you are still wrong

Wasteland_Drifter

I'm not here to argue with you but your link talks about parental responsibility.

Zaea33 copied an extract from midwivesonline.com which confirmed that position.

If posting links is your thing, I suggest reading this one which confirms my original comment. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1989/ukpga_19890041_en_2#pt1-l1g3

Zara33

Wasteland_Drifter wrote: »

I'm not here to argue with you but your link talks about parental responsibility.

Zaea33 copied an extract from midwivesonline.com which confirmed that position.

If posting links is your thing, I suggest reading this one which confirms my original comment. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1989/ukpga_19890041_en_2#pt1-l1g3

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1995/ukpga_19950036_en_2#pt1-pb1-l1g3

Maybe i am wrong i had always assumed rights and responsibilities go hand in hand so to speak

http://www.opfs.org.uk/helpdesk/pubs/rg04-arrangements-for-children.pdf

stokefan

im on the birth cert andthe child was born in 2008, so where do i stand?? confused now

Zara33

What are Parental
Responsibilities?

Parents have the following legal
responsibilities towards their children:

• to safeguard and promote the child’s
health, development and welfare;

• to provide direction and guidance to
the child in a manner appropriate to the
stage of development of the child;

• if the child is not living with you, to
maintain personal relations and direct
contact with the child;

• and to act as the child’s legal
representative.
These responsibilities are to be fulfilled only
if fulfilling them is practicable and in the
interests of the child. For example, if a
parent is living abroad or is ill s/he would
not be able to fulfill their responsibilities.
Similarly, a parent may have behaved in a
way that makes it no longer in the child’s
interests for them to exercise their
responsibilities.
These responsibilities continue until the child
is 16 except for the responsibility to provide
guidance, which continues until the child is
18.

What are Parental
Rights?

Parental Responsibilities and Parental
Rights go together, as the rights are there
to allow a parent to fulfill their responsibilities.
These rights are:

• to have the child living with you or to
regulate where the child lives;

• to control, direct or guide the child’s
upbringing in a manner appropriate to the
child’s stage of development;

• if the child is not living with you, to
maintain personal relations and direct
contact with the child on a regular basis;
• to act as the child’s legal
representative.
These rights apply until the child is 16.

Who has Parental
Responsibilities and
Rights?

The following people have Parental
Responsibilities and Rights (PRRs):

• the child’s mother;

• the child’s father if the parents were
married when the child was conceived or
if they get married later;

• if the parents are not married, the
child’s father if his name is on the birth
certificate which was registered on or after
4 May 2006;

• an unmarried father who is not named
on the birth certificate but who has signed
a PRR Agreement with the mother;

• an unmarried father who has obtained
a court order for PRRs;

• any other person, for instance
grandparents, step-parents, aunts etc,
who has obtained a court order for PRRs;

• a guardian who has been appointed
in the will of someone who has died and
who had PRRs before they died.
If in doubt you should speak to a solicitor
who will advise you.

http://www.opfs.org.uk/helpdesk/pubs/rg04-arrangements-for-children.pdf

Wasteland_Drifter

Zara33 wrote: »

Maybe i am wrong i had always assumed rights and responsibilities go hand in hand so to speak

Thank you Zara33. Its Section 2(4) of the Children Act 1989

Stokefan, your name on the birth certificate makes no impact. You are the biological father and you have parental responsibility. If you were not married to your childs mother when he was born then you do not have parental rights unless legally adopt him.

The childs mother must also name you as his legal gaurdian when she makes a Will.

Loopy_Girl

Wasteland_Drifter wrote: »

Its Section 2(4) of the Children Act 1989

And that act has been updated as you have already been told. If you care to look at your link at Section 2 (a), you will see that this is no longer the case and the Children's Act was updated in 2003 to accomodate for increase in the amount of unmarried parents.

You are still wrong.

If you also care to look at what Zara has posted and in particular the red writing. Also slightly down from that, where the heading says Who has Parental Rights and Responsibilities, please look at the 3rd example.

If you have Parental Responsibility and this is either because you were married to the Mother, or you applied to the courts, or the baby was born after 1 Dec 2003 and you are named on the birth certificate then you also have Parental Rights.

Please stop quoting Acts that are out of date and also telling posters incorrect information.

Loopy_Girl

stokefan wrote: »

im on the birth cert andthe child was born in 2008, so where do i stand?? confused now

It means that you have full Parental Rights and Responsibilites. This means that you have a say in schools, medical treatment etc etc.

You are also the baby's legal guardian and should anything happen to the Mother as you are the baby's next of kin.

Wasteland_Drifter

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

If you also care to look at what Zara has posted and in particular the red writing.

Which says:

From 1 st December 2003, unmarried fathers are able to get equal parental responsibility simply by both parents registering the birth together.

And that's correct, I've never said otherwise.

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Please stop quoting Acts that are out of date and also telling posters incorrect information.

The change in the law you refer to gives both parents equal responsibility. Nothing has reppealed Section 2(4) of the Children Act 1989 on parental rights - The rule of law that a father is the natural guardian of his legitimate child is abolished.

stokefan, Loopy Girl is trying to tell you law is wrong.

Zara33

Wasteland_Drifter wrote: »

Thank you Zara33. Its Section 2(4) of the Children Act 1989

;)I'm not gonna argue (now there's a first for me :rotfl:) but we are quoting from different acts. The act that i am quoting from is Childrens Scotland act 1995, however i notice further down Loopy say's there is another act