wrong reg on parking ticket pay or NOT pay?

easy

sarahg1969 wrote: »

He doesn't get the cash, you know. :rolleyes:

I know, but he does get the salary for doing it.

I mean, it's not a job I would choose to do, unless I couldn't get anything else.

Coblcris

its not weaseling, its statutory requirements. Councils hold drivers (RKs) liable for the slightest thing, they have to to have their house in order first. All the rules and diagrams are clearly laid out, councils pay people serious amounts of money (ref' head of parking salary, money to 'consultants', memberships fees to the BPA, the list goes on) to get everything put in place and they fail all over the place. besides not paying the PCN local residents should be questioning the value for money the council provides. if they can't get the wording correct on simple parking documents despite having been given examples of compliant versions of those documents what chance is there that they have got things right when dealing with tricky things. You don't want to some under the hand of such incompetence when it is over something that could seriously affect your life.

Neil_B

easy wrote: »

I just find the immediate air of "you can weasel out of paying this fine, because the poor sod with aching feet who has to be a parking warden to make money to feed his kids, made a mistake when he entered your details into his machine" a bit disquieting.

Sorry if you find that so unpalatable.

i do get where you are coming from but it isn't quite like that.

you have to have experienced it or seen the number of appalling cases i have. i won't support or assist anyone who wants to lie but if they can avoid payment because of an unnecessary error by the Council then i will.

When I end up helping to fight a case against a major City Council for a disabled person, also a cancer sufferer, who made a simple mistake. When that immediately develops into a blatant refusal to exercise discretion (illegal), THREE times, i end up assisting with letters and we eventually get them to relent after 5 months! then you will understand why some payback is due. Big-up the very diligent campaigner who led that appeal from another forum incidentally. i only assisted.

When a pensioner from Norfolk gets a bus lane PCN from Lambeth, where he has never been, is distraught and worried because both stages of appeal are rejected - i kinda get riled! he had been asked to supply certain evidence, which clearly showed it was nothing to do with him. He did so but a different person picked it up and refused him again, forgetting the promise on file!

Oh and if you want a classic, see the thread on here by Nagga99 and read the brilliant rejection letter sent to him by Tower Hamlets!

Read various cases from Richmond uT, Islington, Barnet, Lancs (parkwise), Salford, Haringey, Hackney, more Tower hamlets -- and more. se their absolute insistence that their documents are correct and the subsequent amendment of those documents to be correct. Quite blatantly lying to people. That is malfeasance in Public Office.

Tell a porky on a formal appeal to a PCN and you risk a £5K fine and a criminal conviction. No such action is taken against Council responses.

In one case on here I didn't even publicise what happened it was so gobsmacking! A Council referred the appellant to a previous PATAS case saying that it proved their documents were compliant. I guess they thought it wouldn't be checked? It was checked and

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yes you've got it, no relevance at all!! That was a clear act of fraud and misdirection. Moreover, they then of course changed the document.

Now if you still think pulling up a Council for a small mistake is unethical you are entitled to your opinion. Personally, i'd rather they got it right. We pay them to!

Incidentally, I actually support parking enforcement and have nothing against individual CEOs. Since you mention them, they do an essential job and some frequently help me with this stuff. many are poorly trained though and it is not their fault.

easy

Neil,

Look I agree totally with your opinion about councils taking the appropriate care, getting their forms/paperwork and everything absolutely correct (after all, they have legal departments to do the job for them), and operating a degree of discretion when dealing with these issues.

As a disabled driver with a blue badge, I've had to fight a number of times against tickets issued to me because they had ignored my badge, got the timings wrong (I parked in a street one morning for 40 minutes, went back and parked in the same street again at 4:15 the same day, was ticketed for being parked on that double line all day, was asked to PROVE that I had moved the car between times), or issued a ticket for causing an obstruction without being able to show me what I was allegedly obstructing (a place where I, and other BB holders had frequently parked previously, without any ticket).

But in the case of the OP, as I read it, it seems they accept that they committed whatever offence the ticket was issued for, and the warden simply mis-entered the registration number into the ticket printer (possibly because he was undertrained or doing too much overtime, who knows).
Now that would, I believe, give them the right not to pay. But that's not really, morally, right, is it?

And as I frequently tell my son, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Neil_B

i do take your point.

As you pointed out yourself he did initially want to pay but couldn't because of the Council !!!! up. i'd call that quits personally. They don't make it possible to pay so that's another error.

on 'two wrongs --'. yep fair point and yes it something of an artillery exchange between us and the Councils at the mo. If they fire an unreasonable, we fire one back. Not ideal i admit but might get them focussed one day.

to reassure you, I do draw the line!
when someone posted along the lines of 'I received a pcn in a loading bay, how can I show i was loading?' - asked , were you loading and getting 'no' as an answer, i'm obviously out!
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easy

Cheers Neil :beer:

Neil_B

and you too Sir! Any polite exchange of views is worthwhile in these matters.

looking_to_save_money

I think we are digresting on this thread: the simple OP question was shall I pay the fine as it has the incorrect reg number?

easy

I haven't digressed tho (just meandered around a bit ).

My reply boils down to "if you were actually there, and you committed the offence, then yes you should pay"

If the opening question actually means " Can I get away without paying this fine" the answer is probably yes too.

Coblcris

its a contravention not an offence.