Utilities Warehouse. Will it be cheaper or more expensive? slightly awkward situation

Quentin

easy wrote: »

OK, so they are not necessarily the cheapest , but everyone is free to do their own research....

The problem with the uw way of doing things (using a "warm" list of friends/relations/former business contacts etc) is that when approached by a rep with some sort of personal connection you naturally don't expect to be taken advantage of.

In fact there is lots of evidence that they are quite happy to take advantage of old friends, and are encouraged to contact them on the pretext of needing help to practice a work related matter with them when their secret objective is just to get the friend signed up for multiple utilities from them.

So any help over researching them is useful, especially on a money saving forum.

Here's another video that demonstrates Group Director, Shannon Griffin booking a 'practice appointment', no doubt with a view to signing up a multi-service customer for at least four services, because that's what the top distributors do.

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/practice-appointment-shannon-griffin.html

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

The problem with the uw way of doing things (using a "warm" list of friends/relations/former business contacts etc) is that when approached by a rep with some sort of personal connection you naturally don't expect to be taken advantage of.

The problem with this comment is it assumes all UW reps are willing to 'take advantage' or their friends/family/etc. Some are, some aren't. Some people are scumbags, some people are decent. This applies to pretty much all groups of people.

In fact there is lots of evidence that they are quite happy to take advantage of old friends,

We are encouraged to contact people we know - if we don't sombody else probably will, if there's commission to be had (assuming some of those friends would find UW's services suitable) then why not me?

and are encouraged to contact them on the pretext of needing help to practice a work related matter with them when their secret objective is just to get the friend signed up for multiple utilities from them.

Speaking for myself, I am not a salesman. I work in IT support. I have no sales experience or training prior to joining UW. Anyone that thinks I had to 'pretend' to need practice is severely mistaken. Frankl I still need practice.. to much full time job, not enough UW

So any help over researching them is useful, especially on a money saving forum.

Help researching yes, twisting the truth to fit your warped view that UW are some kind of evil incarnate, no.

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/practice-appointment-shannon-griffin.html

Oh look, a video that forms a small part of a several hour training program, aimed at helping new distributors get started and overcome their fears. Your point?

lauraj87

Quentin wrote: »

The problem with the uw way of doing things (using a "warm" list of friends/relations/former business contacts etc) is that when approached by a rep with some sort of personal connection you naturally don't expect to be taken advantage of.

In fact there is lots of evidence that they are quite happy to take advantage of old friends, and are encouraged to contact them on the pretext of needing help to practice a work related matter with them when their secret objective is just to get the friend signed up for multiple utilities from them.

So any help over researching them is useful, especially on a money saving forum.

You really do spend a lot of time on this forum don't you... I think it's quite sad you have such a grudge against UWDC, fair enough you are entitled to your opinion but this topic has just become you arguing with a number of UWDC distributors. I think you have more than expressed your opinion now so maybe it's time to let it be??!

Quentin

lauraj87 wrote: »

I think you have more than expressed your opinion now so maybe it's time to let it be??!

You have told us you are a UW rep.

In view of this, your post can be seen in a different light!

In addition you posed as a "happy customer" of the UW in another post in the UW thread without letting on you actually were a uw rep. This sort of deceit is the very reason uw reps are given special rules to stick to when they post here.

1carminestocky

Quentin wrote: »

That is because the rest of your post was irrelevant to the topic, and seemed designed to distract from it.

Call me cynical but I tend to be of the opinion that you ignored the rest because it was pointing out one of your massive character flaws - getting something wholly wrong, making false and potentially libellous accusations then lacking the necessary moral fibre to actually apologise for your actions. Lilly-livered and offensive behaviour. And totally transarent. Man or mouse? I'll pass the cheese.

Quentin

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/practice-appointment-shannon-griffin.html

Decado23 wrote: »

Oh look, a video that forms a small part of a several hour training program, aimed at helping new distributors get started and overcome their fears. Your point?

Isn't my point expressed by the introduction to the video:

Here's another video that demonstrates Group Director, Shannon Griffin booking a 'practice appointment', no doubt with a view to signing up a multi-service customer for at least four services, because that's what the top distributors do

Why do your "top distributors" do this, if it isn't outright deceit and taking advantage of a friend's natural desire to help out over a work based problem?

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

Isn't my point expressed by the introduction to the video:

Maybe, maybe not. Firstly, that introduction is just one guy's opinion. I know you are well aware that networkerplus is an unofficial site - 'by distributors, for distributors' and therefore nothing posted there can be taken as official UW policy or opinion.
Then again, maybe he just posted that to encourage new distributors to get out there and start practicing. What's wrong with that?

Why do your "top distributors" do this, if it isn't outright deceit and taking advantage of a friend's natural desire to help out over a work based problem

Maybe they used to do this (back at the start, y'know, when they needed the practice), and perhaps that's one of the reasons they became top distributors (practice makes perfect 'n all that). I don't honestly think people who've been in the business several years and in some cases have several hundred personal customers are still doing this. Unless they're really popular and have an absolutely massive 'warm market'. Or they're just really lazy and haven't got round to talking to people about it - in which case they wouldn't be top distributors and probably do still need the practice.

Networker plus is an independent, informal private site for distributors to chat, share tips, ask questions and stuff... comments posted there are not necessarily 100%, would hold up under interrogation, accurate (not that there's intent to mislead, just that people tend not to get solicitors to check the wording on their posts in case people with far too much time decide to score points). They don't need to be. Most people without an axe to grind generally don't have a problem with it.

Of course, you've seen a couple of videos and jumped to conclusions about the intent so obviously you know best. Yes indeedy.


UW distributor

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

I know you are well aware that networkerplus is an unofficial site.....

Not at all.

Though you have said that the videos etc are not approved by the UW, in fact your uw colleague rep keggs has disagreed over this (when it was pointed out that they have the UW logo on them, and are widely distributed all over the net), and inisted that the videos are all uw approved.

keggs wrote:

ALL materials produced by distributors have to be approved by the company

stevieg123_2

Woah thats all got a bit out of hand after my mention of badges! Wearing the badge upside down is just a clever way of getting peoples attention, but you're right that the 5% comes of your UW bill and not your shopping BUT the 5% is based on what you spend at sainsburys per month.

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

Not at all.

incorrect. Networker plus is an independent site.

Though you have said that the videos etc are not approved by the UW

I don't recall saying this. If i did, then I was mistaken - some of the videos you've posted are, as far as I am aware, approved and form a (small) part of the official training program. Usually not for the purpose you assume.

, in fact your uw colleague rep keggs has disagreed over this (when it was pointed out that they have the UW logo on them, and are widely distributed all over the net), and inisted that the videos are all uw approved.

That is Keggs' opinion. I would have said all advertising materials have to be approved by head office.
Training videos are not advertising videos.

Now maybe my opinion is right, maybe Keggs', or maybe we've both misunderstood. Since we're both independents, neither of us can give a difinitive answer as we do not legally represent UW etc etc. As you well know.

However, whether the videos are approved or not is completely irrelevent as we were clearly talking about the introduction to the video posted on the hosted site. You specified this yoursef.

Independent distributors are entitled to create their own password protected community sites without obtaining authorisation of the content. The fact that it is possible to deep link the videos, bypassing the log in is an oversight which I'm sure will be corrected.

Comments posted on such sites (such as the introduction you make such a fuss of) are not official.


UW distributor