MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Would you give up a £50 train seat for a pregnant woman?

edited 12 May 2009 at 8:04PM in Money Saving Polls
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  • Decado23Decado23 Forumite
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    This isn't even a dilemma - the pregnant lady gets the seat.

    Yes, she knows she's pregnant and should have booked in advance and yes, it's an expensive seat but her choices do not influence who I am. My choice not to be an !!!!!! is more important to me than fifty quid for a train ticket.

    I can fully understand and support disabled/ill/elderly people not giving up their seat, but refusing because 'I pay my tax and subsidise her pregnancy' as someone posted earlier is pretty pathetic. I have a 13mth old daughter, my wife doesn't currently work and hasn't since about 1mth before the baby was born. We are both approaching 33 and have paid considerably more tax over the years than we currently receive in child benefit. To be honest, my smoking habit probably pays enough tax to cover CB for a reasonable sized town :rotfl:
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  • fionafhfionafh Forumite
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    Absolutely not!

    First of all, there is always a carriage that has no reserved seating so someone there should give up their seat. Secondly, if you are pregnant and know you are going on a long train ride then you should take responsibility for your well being and book a seat!
  • rominaromina Forumite
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    And I also, paid over £50k in tax during the tax year that covered my maternity leave.... The reason I am on the train (and was whilst pregnant) is that I work and contribute to the economy.
  • FlakyDawnFlakyDawn Forumite
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    Not normally inclined to comment but I feel very cross at the people who would not give up their seat and rant about the poor woman not pre-booking, it's her fault she is pregnant, benefits, scroungers, over-population and having paid a whole £50 extra etc etc. Is this the Daily Mail forum? Perhaps she is an illegal immigrant benefit scrounging single mother too????

    Decency costs NOTHING. YES so I would give up my seat. And I am knocking on a bit.

    As for those "not visibly disabled", isn't a smile and perhaps an apology with a short explanation not make everyone feel much happier?

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  • qetu1357qetu1357 Forumite
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    If EVERYONE behaved like a decent human being, then the lady wouldnt be standing.

    She would be sitting in the seat that SHE booked for herself.

    If you have reserved a seat and find someone sitting in it, then they SHOULD move when you produce your ticket, just like people SHOULD give up their seats to people more in need.

    This thread is about moral obligations, morals seem in short supply these days.

    I would stand. (and then maybe try and find a guard to explain the circumstances and try and get her a seat in 1st class, so I could have mine back. Although I doubt I would be successful.:rolleyes:)

    Quite right.

    It's also about responsibility.

    Too often people aren't prepared to take responsibility for themselves and then expect people who have taken responsibility to look after them too/instead.

    An acquitance of mine was made redundant from his 39 hr a week job. He found due to tax credits etc. that he could take another job doing just 15 hours a week and be only £15 a week worse off.

    What's my point? Those who are responsible/take responsibility end up paying for those who don't.

    However I would give my seat up as she may have had to travel last minute and I wouldn't question her whether she had or not.
  • robpw2robpw2 Forumite
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    fionafh wrote: »
    Absolutely not!

    First of all, there is always a carriage that has no reserved seating so someone there should give up their seat. Secondly, if you are pregnant and know you are going on a long train ride then you should take responsibility for your well being and book a seat!
    if its a non reserved seat then i would expect someone to give it up for her as they have not booked a seat they just got on hopin to find one
    but if you reserve your seat then you should be entitled to it


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  • robpw2robpw2 Forumite
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    FlakyDawn wrote: »
    Not normally inclined to comment but I feel very cross at the people who would not give up their seat and rant about the poor woman not pre-booking, it's her fault she is pregnant, benefits, scroungers, over-population and having paid a whole £50 extra etc etc. Is this the Daily Mail forum? Perhaps she is an illegal immigrant benefit scrounging single mother too????

    Decency costs NOTHING. YES so I would give up my seat. And I am knocking on a bit.

    As for those "not visibly disabled", isn't a smile and perhaps an apology with a short explanation not make everyone feel much happier?

    I really despair. Dig deep for your human side and stay in touch
    i cant believe im being referred to as a daily mail reader


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  • geri1965_2geri1965_2 Forumite
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    robpw2 wrote: »
    but if you reserve your seat then you should be entitled to it

    You are entitled to it - that doesn't mean you can't give it up by choice!
  • smk77smk77 Forumite
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    No Way!!
    If that woman did not have the forethought to buy an advanced ticket then I don't see why I should have to give my seat up.

    perhaps there was a reason why she didn't buy an advanced ticket? Maybe she was in a rush to see a sick relative? I guess you could always ask a few questions and then see if she is worthy?
    If someone was obese, and carrying the same excess body weight then i would not give my seat up for them, so why should it be any different for a pregnant woman.

    Someone who is clasified as obese (i.e. BMI of 30) is going to be carrying a lot more excess body weight than the average pregnant women! You clearly have no idea of the reasons why pregnant women may need to sit.
  • edited 13 May 2009 at 9:07AM
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    edited 13 May 2009 at 9:07AM
    On the tube - yes
    On a bus - yes
    On a train where i have not reserved a seat, just managed to grab one - short journey yes, longer maybe.
    On an train where i did reserve a seat - no, unless she was clearly very ill and uncomfortable

    Now, i'm a woman, and i know a lot of my friends are shocked (and amused!) by my views on pregancy - it was her choice to become pregnant, and she has to take responsiblity for it. I think it is entirely fair that part of that responsiblity involves thinking about how she is going to travel, whether that is pre-booking a seat, or finding a guard or other to point out the carriages with unreserved seats etc.

    I presonally don't find it fair or reasonable to discomfort myself for a choice someone else has made, unless they are clearly in difficulty - in which case it is then my choice whether to help them out or not (and i usually would)
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