Tesco Car Park Ticket

justontime

Neil_B wrote: »

this is going to be harsh I'm afraid.

Thanks very much for wasting everyones' time. Thank yourself and them also for the next few victims of 80+ years who are also all law abiding and very anxious citizens.

PS. please send me £200 - because of the clause i have on having to read pointless posts. If you fail to pay the amount

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- heard it somewhere before?
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I asked for advice and I am grateful for the advice I have been given. If you read my post I asked two things, how much the ticket would be and if there was a way to appeal it. The first part has not been answered, but the replies have told me that appeal is pointless (except to Tesco which I have now done). If I had the ticket I would almost certainly follow the advice to ignore it, however it is not me, it is my elderly and frail parents. In the end they will decide what to do not me, because being old and frail does not render them incapable of decision making! I will pass on all the advice, but I know that they will not want the worry and fear of threatening letters, phone calls etc. My step father had a serious health problem last autumn, we thought he would die, He has only recently started driving again. When she was younger my mum would have stood her ground, I don't quite understand what it is that made them more anxious and worried as they got older, but I have to put their needs first. It makes me furious, but if paying it and making it go away makes their lives easier and stops them worrying I see it as the lesser of two evils. After all I don't know what that sort of worry could do to their health, I just want them to be as well as possible and as happy as possible and I refuse to apologise for that.

Neil_B

I actually do understand - really. In fact you are quite right because it would have or will get very frightening and threatening. It is actually that which forms part of the process so many of us object to - repeated threatening, misleading and, more often than not, legally flawed letters with scary colours and wording and even patterns!

It is actually the fact that you don't yet know that which is a tad frustrating. It is indeed very frightening for vulnerable people. i'm sure if you saw that process you would be incensed and feel as many others do - stuff them! and don't perpetuate the scam!

your choice though - and I do understand. just think it is wrong IMO.

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As for 'how much will it be?' How would anyone know? You have the ticket and didn't mention an amount.
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rigger_john

jdan9 wrote: »

It didn't even occur to me when thinking about it that this was in fact a free car park! You're absolutely right of course, there is no consideration here.

Even if the element's of a contract did exsist, they could only be compensated for the actual loss arising from a breech, the fines these PPC try to impose are illegal, as they exceed the loss the PPC suffers.

My personal opinion is it would be wrong to pay the fine as you are encouraging the criminal behaviour of these crooks.

That said I understand the OP not wanting here elderly parents to have the hassle of dealing with them. I do hope it gets sorted with the minimum of fuss for the OPs parents.

justontime

Neil_B wrote: »

As for 'how much will it be?' How would anyone know? You have the ticket and didn't mention an amount.
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They don't have a ticket yet, only a notice left on the car stating that they are contacting DVLC and a fine will follow. There was no mention of an amount. I guess it will be on a notice in the car park somewhere, but I do not shop there and my parents didn't know. I asked because I thought perhaps someone else may have known from their own experience.

Neil_B

justontime wrote: »

They don't have a ticket yet, only a notice left on the car stating that they are contacting DVLC and a fine will follow. There was no mention of an amount. I guess it will be on a notice in the car park somewhere, but I do not shop there and my parents didn't know. I asked because I thought perhaps someone else may have known from their own experience.

I did kinda click when I was typing that. Very odd and a practice I don't recall hearing about. They normally contact DVLA if ticket is unpaid but at least ask to start with.
I'm sure this means there is something additionally illegal in the process in some way. I'm not sure they are allowed to obtain your details without it being for a certain set of reasons i.e. unpaid 'ticket'. DVLA won't care though - at £2.50 a pop.

Which company is this?
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justontime

Neil_B wrote: »

Which company is this?

I will have to have another look at the ticket when I go to my mum's in the morning. It was 4 letters NPC? maybe I have the letters in the wrong order, I will check. Thanks.

Neil_B

NPC ? was that the company? we'll see tomorrow.

taxiphil

I just want to add that I understand justontime's predicament and sympathise entirely. Neil B was just summing up the disgust we feel when we hear of cases like this because we know it's the elderly and vulnerable who are most likely to give in to these scammers, thus encouraging them to carry on doing it to others.

Just a thought, but is there any chance you can... ahem... "intercept" your parents' post and "remove" any letters from these scammers so it's not causing your parents any stress and, at the same time, the scammers won't get their money? I *know* that technically it's illegal to take someone else's post, and I'm on dodgy ground for suggesting it, but occasionally in life I think it's morally justifiable to bend rules for the greater moral good. I have done the same thing when my mother got letters off a PPC because she overstayed in a supermarket car park by 6 minutes, as I was faced with the same dilemma - I couldn't bear the thought of my mother being scared by the letters but was equally determined that the scammers would not have £90 off her. One of the letters said they were sending debt collectors to her house within 72 hours to assess the value of any property she owned with a view to seizing it - imagine the fear and distress a letter like that would cause an old person (or a person of any age!). These companies are simply despicable. (Needless to say, they never sued or sent anyone to her house, and gave up sending their letters in the end).

Don't ever forget that these people are the scum of the earth - they have no regard whatsoever for any morality when they send these outrageous letters that are designed to mislead and intimidate people into paying money they simply do not owe.

oldone_2

If I were in a similar position I would contact the manager of the supermarket, explaining that the PPC was causing stress to my parents and causing health problems, and could he arrange for the charge to be cancelled.

In the likely event he claims it is out of his hands and can do nothing, I would then point out that in that case you will go to the local press, and the ensuring publicity would not do his sale figures much good .

Coblcris

Post number 10 gives the solution, costs much less and the PPC doesn't get a penny. What is the problem with adopting it ?