Some Benefits should be given in forms of vouchers instead of cash

A_fiend_for_life

Not all people on benefits spend their money on booze and fags at the expense of their children.

Some people in paid employment spend their money on booze and fags at the expense of their children.

Such a system doesn't target all those who would benefit even if it is a water tight system against fraud.

As we are trying to improve the welfare of children it should be pushed out to a wider population. eg all those who receive child tax credits.

My guess is it starts to look even more unpopular.

swampduck

Leighthal wrote: »

Why can this not be implemented?Shoot me down in flames but I think in the not too distant future cash will become obsolete anyway.We are half way there already.

You must be joking!! Where I work in finance - the charges being imposed by the banks means we in the office are having to look at how we pay our suppliers. In short we are having to revert to paying them by cash because it is cheaper that way. If we receive cash we pay cash rather than banking it because we are charged so much per cheque used and per cheque banked and so much per £100 of cash banked.
If we pay by direct debit it is only done so because we have an incentive of a few quid off our invoices.
Cash is alive and kicking and going to stay that way if the banks and the government carry on with what they are doing.

Incidently for what it's worth - my partner recently applied for incapacity benefit for four weeks and was turned down because he is self employed and has not paid enough NI Contributions (he pays what he is told by the departments concerned) so its a double whammy - they take his money and wont help him when he needs it!! Thank god for the NHS - they have given him the treatment needed to enable him to keep working because in their eyes they are seeing that they need to keep those who are in work working by giving them priority over those not in work. A fact borne out by my partner receiving his treatment on a Saturday so he could get back to work on Monday.
Any benefit however it is paid should only be used to keep a roof over your head, food in belly and a shirt on your back. Sky tv, Booze, fags and lifes' little luxuries are just that and if we fell on really hard times they would be the first things we would cut back on if we had them in the first place..
Swampy

bo_drinker

donaldtramp wrote: »

Totally agree. Vouchers should be handed out in place of taxpayers hard cash. There should be a stigma attached to leeching from the state. Far too many have simply chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice, it is far too easy.

I agree, it's been easy come easy go for far too long now. :T
Trouble is I was reading some are on 3rd generation benefit scroungers in a lot of families. It's easy for a girl to shell out a baby 16 years of benefits shell another in a few years another 16 years benefits and so on. :mad:

geoffky

All you people saying you agree with vouchers. do you agree that if you ended up in the position of having to go and get social security you would welcome vouchers that mark you out a different to other people even though you could of being paying £800 tax per month for the last 20 years. Why should someone who has because of this governments financial mismanagement and who have lost their job not get some back what they have excessively paid in to. stop and think if it was you for once...

A_fiend_for_life

No. That's why I posted anyone in receipt of child benefits / credits should get vouchers. It covers both employed and unemployed and up to quite a sizeable salary and doesn't discriminate based on employment. Nor does it make assumptions that only the unemployed spend on booze and fags at the expense of their kids.

adwat

A_fiend_for_life wrote: »

Tomorrow World was great but I could never work out how you get around 180g of carbs, 70g of fat and 50 to 70g of protein in pills.

They didn't tell you it was designed as a suppository!:eek:

Bettyboop

lily76 wrote: »

I remember very clearly that a mum complains that J.oliver's cooking materials are 'too expensive'. However, she was smoking and having loads of beers in the fridge. Child Benefit or tax credit should only be used on children not their parents. Vouchers could be a better way.

Well said... that would be a much better system. It does my nut when you hear people moaning they can't afford this and that for there kids yet right in front of you they are sporting the latest fashion, ugg boots, smoking etc and the kids are dressed in rags....it's very unfair!

eyeinthesky

Seems to me that the government, both past and present, have created a benefit dependant society. It seems rather silly to take lots of money off people in tax and national insurance, then to give it back in the form of benefits. Of course, this costs the nation a huge amount of money and leads to a forever swelling public sector. Perhaps they shouldn't take the money off people in the first place, i.e. reduce taxation, and scrap the vast majority of benefits. There are far too many benefits, which cost a lot to administer, and give more opportunity to defraud.

People should only have the children they can afford to support, and not be allowed to use their breeding as a means to gaining benefits. If all the child benefits and tax credits were scrapped, people might just think whether they can afford another child in their current circumstances. A child for a teenage mum should not be a gateway to a council flat and a raft of benefits.

Of course there will always be a need to help the vulnerable and unfortunate in our society, but I think this could be achieved by a few simple benefits, based on circumstances and household income. The bottom line of course is, don't take taxes from those who cannot afford it, then force them to claim it back in benefits. It would not be too difficult to work out a basic income level for a family of 2 adults + 2 kids for example, then not tax until the income rises above that level. There should also be some financial incentive for couples to be married, and perhaps some incentive not to have too many children. We all live in a society with finite resources, so we need to take responsibility for ourselves and our family. We need to ask ourselves, can we afford another child on our current income? It is patently wrong to expect other people to pay for you or your children to live, and is also wrong to procreate whilst living on benefits. This is just commonsense, sadly lacking today I'm afraid.

SingleSue

Just one small question on that last post....what about those who had their children when they could afford it, had no inkling things were going to go horribly wrong etc.

You can be as sensible as you like and plan so very well for the future but it can still all go wrong and very quickly.

MiserlyMartin

I agree. Vouchers all the way instead of flat screen TV's