Some Benefits should be given in forms of vouchers instead of cash

bendix

ninky wrote: »

tbf, as an employee it's not really you creating tax revenue it's the company you work for. if you weren't donig the job you do someone else would be and that revenue would go to the country via the taxman anyway. in that way, it's not really 'your' money to moan about.

out of interest, has no one in your family (parents etc) ever claimed benefits or been housed in social housing? (sneaky tactic from the hippy there).

Sorry ninky, that is palpable nonsense. The company I work for doesnt exist in some ethereal capacity. It is a combination of people, contributing in different ways to generate the profits and in doing so generating both corporate tax and a huge amount of personal income tax.

What you are implying is that my firm is a charity, paying me my salary out of the goodness of its heart. It pays me to contribute to its success. If it didnt think i was worth MORE than my salary, it would be employing me at a loss.

So you're wrong. I contribute to the generation of the wealth both of the company, and myself. In that regards, I help pay not only my own income tax bill, but also a share of the corporate taxes paid on our profits.

To your second comment. A brother and a sister are perpetual dole-bludgers. They come from the same 'society owes me a living' mentality as much of this forum. My sister, in particular, has never done a days work in her life and relied on her looks from the age of 16 to have men provide for her. Now she is 43 and it's not working so well for her. My brother, on the other hand, claims to be depressed. Depressed my !!!!.

For the record, my general contempt for benefit cheats and the welface dependancy culture is maginified greatly in my contempt for and anger about those two close to me.

bendix

cybermum wrote: »

No,not the 'old retort' actually.
As you said you cannot comment on it and so I will bite my tongue not knowing you personally.
The person in question worked and paid taxes for over 26 years until suffering a full mental breakdown.
What are you saying,that this person should have received no help when they genuinely needed it??
They never asked for anything in life,was so ashamed to have to ask for help that it took months and months of living on whatever savings they had until it ran out.
No option but to swallow pride and ask for assistance.

You wish you had the 'luxury' of being depressed??
Well come back and tell me that after spending time with a genuinely mentally ill person and seeing the horrors of a mental ward.

I find your comments highly offensive and frankly ignorant.

Like I said, I'm not going to comment on individual cases. It muddies the water.

I have no doubt his is a genuine case.

You though reduce the impact of your argument when you ask me to spend time with genuine mentally ill people . . . isnt that the whole point? My anger is geared to the hundreds of thousands of 'depressed people' who - amazingly - didnt exist until Incapacity Benefit for depression appeared. Suddenly, we had a depression epidemic.

I have no objections to people in genuine need being cared for and its laudable your example used their savings before asking for help.

My contempt - and hatred - is geared towards the tens of thousands, nay hundreds of thousands, who use 'depression', obesity, stress, bad backs etc - usually false or greatly exaggerated - as a road to a life on benefits.

Like it or not, we're not that far apart on this.

Mister_aaa

bendix wrote: »

Like I said, I'm not going to comment on individual cases. It muddies the water.

I have no doubt his is a genuine case.

You though reduce the impact of your argument when you ask me to spend time with genuine mentally ill people . . . isnt that the whole point? My anger is geared to the hundreds of thousands of 'depressed people' who - amazingly - didnt exist until Incapacity Benefit for depression appeared. Suddenly, we had a depression epidemic.

I have no objections to people in genuine need being cared for and its laudable your example used their savings before asking for help.

My contempt - and hatred - is geared towards the tens of thousands, nay hundreds of thousands, who use 'depression', obesity, stress, bad backs etc - usually false or greatly exaggerated - as a road to a life on benefits.

Like it or not, we're not that far apart on this.

Buy why punitively punish those people that may be suffering from depression/bad backs etc in order to root out those that are faking it?

Pull the rug out from under them, i think was your term.

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it happens in public sector employment too. Three colleagues, all teachers, feigned depression and got early retirement with full added years. Years later, I held my head up and left voluntarily without any added pension but I see these "depressives" having the life of riley now and I am kicking myself. It would have been so easy to have had a couple of tantrums and then to stay off work and got several hundreds more per year for the rest of my life

bendix

OK . .this is a debate that should end, largely because it's moving from general issues around cynicism generated by people all too often using depression as a reason for living a benefits lifestyle into some very specific, very personal and - frankly - moving accounts.

Let me go on record. It's not my intention to denigrate genuine cases of depression. They exist, I have no doubt of that.

If my annoyance at the cheaters is leading to discomfit from those who have close experience of the real thing, then I apologise and shall bow out of this discussion as contritely as i can.

Mea culpa.