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Nouriel Roubini: Stock market bulls have got it wrong

Stock market bulls have got it wrong, warns Nouriel Roubini
'Dr Doom' predicts further shocks in the market

By Nick Clark

Nouriel Roubini, the so-called "arch bear" economist who predicted the current financial crisis in 2006, added further gloom yesterday after he wrote off recent rises in global stock markets as no more than a dead cat bounce.

While an increasing number of analysts have in recent weeks urged investors to go back into equities, Mr Roubini, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business who has emerged as one of the most respected economic voices in the wake of the credit crunch, warned yesterday that he didn't yet see a buying opportunity.

He holds little faith in the recent market rallies, which prompted some to suggest a recovery was underway. "I'm still cautious and bearish," he said. "I believe we are closer to a bottom in the stock market than a year ago, but this is a bear market rally."

Anthony Bolton, fund manager at Fidelity International, said last month that a bull phase had started, while analysts at Goldman Sachs have argued in recent weeks that "we are past the low point in the economic cycle".

However, Mr Roubini, dubbed "Dr Doom" for his warnings about financial meltdown, said there would be more bad news in the next few quarters.

In particular, the economist warned of further dangers ahead for the financial services industry in the US. "I see financial shocks in the months ahead. Some financial institutions are in so much trouble we may have to take them over," he said, before adding that losses in the industry could rise from $1 trillion to as high as $3.6 trillion.

Firms from across financial services will go out of business or be taken over, he said, particularly focusing on the bleak future for hedge funds.

Mr Roubini also disagrees with more optimistic forecasts for the US economy. In an interview published on Forbes.com yesterday, he said that the prediction of a 2 per cent growth rate next year was far too bullish. He called it at somewhere around 1 per cent. "So while we are going to be technically out of a recession, it is going to feel like a recession," he added.

He blamed weak recovery, deflation which would dog the US for the next two years, and financial shocks for the lower-than-expected growth.

Investors should stay on the sidelines, he cautioned, but added that there was light at the end of the tunnel. "I'm not a permabear. I believe that actually, if we do the right things, the US, Europe, Japan, but especially emerging markets can have a bright future of high economic growth."

Mr Roubini criticised market regulators, saying that while deregulation was positive "we took it to an extreme". He added: "Even financial markets need laws, institutions, rules; otherwise it is the law of the jungle."

Quoting from Oliver Stone's film Wall Street, he added: "Greed is good. There is nothing bad with greed. You know, that's what drives capitalism. But greed has to be contained by fear of losses and also realisation you are not going to be bailed out in bad times."

Another hugely respected figure seems to think that we're in a dead cat bounce.

Bulls take note.
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  • purch
    purch Posts: 9,865 Forumite
    Nouriel Roubini:- Academic, with a track record of talking about the markets.

    Anthony Bolton:- Fund Manager, with a track record of making money in the markets.

    Now...............Which one is best ??

    There's only one way to find out !!!!
    'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'
  • Old_Slaphead
    Old_Slaphead Posts: 2,749 Forumite
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    edited 21 April 2009 at 12:38PM
    purch wrote: »
    Nouriel Roubini:- Academic, with a track record of talking about the markets.

    Anthony Bolton:- Fund Manager, with a track record of making money in the markets.

    Now...............Which one is best ??

    There's only one way to find out !!!!


    Fight ?????

    If AB keeps calling the bottom of the market he'll get it right, eventually.
  • Masomnia
    Masomnia Posts: 19,506 Forumite
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    If AB keeps calling the botom of the market he'll get it right, eventually.

    If NR keeps calling it a bear rally he'll be wrong eventually.
    “I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse
  • purch
    purch Posts: 9,865 Forumite
    If AB keeps calling the bottom of the market he'll get it right, eventually

    I don't agree with his latest comments, but I would still rather follow someone with a track record, rather than an acedemic without one.
    'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    In the end the Human race needs income investment returns - according to NR, millions of people that need investment income should be sitting in cash [URL="javascript:add_smilie(":whistling:","smid_31")"]whistling.gif[/URL]
  • Dan:_4
    Dan:_4 Posts: 3,795 Forumite
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    what a load of tosh. The wookie is showing his desperation with this one. Hopefully, he is starting to face up the fact that the 70% fall predictions have always been nothing but fantasy.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Another of the !!!!!! band of Armegeddanites is not so doomy :T
    Mr Doom and Gloom Faber thinks the markets are heading higher in the medium term :j
    I think I heard him quoted as looking for S&P 1000 soon.

    The market very near term has become somewhat overbought, and the correction should essentially follow, but I doubt it will go and make new lows in the intermediate future. The lows in early March at 666 in the S&P will hold, and we’ll have another push up into July

    http://marcfaberblog.blogspot.com/





    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • If Nouriel Roubini thought the outlook was positive I might sit up and take notice. Thing is, he never will.
  • System
    System Posts: 178,377 Community Admin
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    A hugely respected figure with the title "Dr Doom", interesting.
    This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Wookster wrote: »
    Another hugely respected figure seems to think that we're in a dead cat bounce.

    Bulls take note.

    Is he not a teacher in New York :rolleyes: Old Slaphead and his Tramp mate should be telling him to get a proper job.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
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