My rights on moving out of my council flat.

neas

Totally agree with the above, albeit its a very touchy subject on this forum. But yes i am bitter thyat low iq friends who left school at 16.. got pregnant have 2-3 kids... where at the age of 25 and 27 (me and wife) we haven't even begun to start a family sat... and are sat in a smaller 'rental' than the 16 year old kids... who showed no promise at school.

Its backward evolution, the intelligent clever individuals are forced to work hard and put off kids... while the ones who just get pregnant and jobless rely on state to take care fo them. Meaning.. theres more '16 year old council leavers'.... children than 'high IQ grafters' being produced.....

End result.... we are becoming a society of bums... hell this is why polish people could get work so easily here because english people get paid too much on benefits to be bothered doing the menial jobs.

RLH33

neas wrote: »

Totally agree with the above, albeit its a very touchy subject on this forum. But yes i am bitter thyat low iq friends who left school at 16.. got pregnant have 2-3 kids... where at the age of 25 and 27 (me and wife) we haven't even begun to start a family sat... and are sat in a smaller 'rental' than the 16 year old kids... who showed no promise at school.

Its backward evolution, the intelligent clever individuals are forced to work hard and put off kids... while the ones who just get pregnant and jobless rely on state to take care fo them. Meaning.. theres more '16 year old council leavers'.... children than 'high IQ grafters' being produced.....

End result.... we are becoming a society of bums... hell this is why polish people could get work so easily here because english people get paid too much on benefits to be bothered doing the menial jobs.

A man/woman after my own heart - a debate we have regularly at our house - we are breeding a nation of idiots.

Ditzy_2

skcollobcat10 wrote: »

Your on a hiding to nothing with me mate. People who are council tenants have no rights and own sweet f all.

Human Rights - we all have them and can exercise them at our pleasure!


While an emotive subject and I normally refrain from being embroiled into the debate - I have found your comments and other forum members very narrow minded and distorted. While on one hand there does appear that the 'underclass' as the media has adopted for those whom have no life aspiration other than to breed (one for the better word as rearing is dependent on ones own interpretation) and not put back into the 'pot' and society are the ones whom have been 'rewarded' social housing (less and less councils actually own any housing stock) there are those - like me been treated badly and left with a vulnerability where to be continuing to rent privately in detrimental conditions affecting long term mental and physical health - was entitled to permanent secure housing for the time one would like to continue in doing so.

What I own may not be large in any material sense - but thankfully have my life albeit with traumatic memories and a chronic health condition - appreciate fully what perm housing has enabled me to do by BECOMING a contributing member of society. Working part time paying all my rent and C tax and income taxes NI - if by actually residing in a subsidized property relinquishes all my rights then boo - hoo you!

There are many others like me in council props and attain more than stretch marks and trips to the post office to cash giros (cleche I know but going to the bank did not sound as stereotypical!)

By 'attacking' those whom have social housing properties are in fact wasting your time - as it is like many other things the 'system' which does not allow hard working and the party faithful to attain affordable, permanent, secure housing. Do you think I also like seeing those whom 'appear' to be in greater need only now get housing - I to get frustrated watching families struggle in both financial terms and in totally expensive housing as at the end of the day we all deserve that and is a basic human need to require shelter.

You can't take it with you when you die.



........................and breathe!

teeni

I would suggest that you check with shelter to confirm your rights if you move in with your father , Only one succession is normally allowed however if your father has had the tenancy since before 1985 and any succession,( as has been suggested when your mother left or passed away, not sure which as you have not mentioned her) was prior to the implimentation of the relevant housing act then you may still have a right to succession as a child resident with him for 12 months, unfortunately if he passes away before the 12 months is up you would have no right to succession.
BEFORE you think of giving up your home get independant advice but not from the council, who will want that house returned to them asap. Shelter tel number is 080880004444 make sure you have the dates of the start of tenancy and when any succession took place before you ring them.

sassygirl_2

neas wrote: »

Totally agree with the above, albeit its a very touchy subject on this forum. But yes i am bitter thyat low iq friends who left school at 16.. got pregnant have 2-3 kids... where at the age of 25 and 27 (me and wife) we haven't even begun to start a family sat... and are sat in a smaller 'rental' than the 16 year old kids... who showed no promise at school.

Its backward evolution, the intelligent clever individuals are forced to work hard and put off kids... while the ones who just get pregnant and jobless rely on state to take care fo them. Meaning.. theres more '16 year old council leavers'.... children than 'high IQ grafters' being produced.....

.

Just wanted to say, i had a baby at 15, am now 26 and have 4 children.................yet ive never been given a council house, ive worked damn hard, and live in privately rented housing.
Please dont tar us all with the same brush.

poppy10_2

neas wrote: »

Its backward evolution, the intelligent clever individuals are forced to work hard and put off kids... while the ones who just get pregnant and jobless rely on state to take care fo them. Meaning.. theres more '16 year old council leavers'.... children than 'high IQ grafters' being produced.....

End result.... we are becoming a society of bums...

There's a film called Idiocracy based on exactly this concept.

neas

sassygirl wrote: »

Just wanted to say, i had a baby at 15, am now 26 and have 4 children.................yet ive never been given a council house, ive worked damn hard, and live in privately rented housing.
Please dont tar us all with the same brush.

And this is probably mu most respected post of all.

Im not tarring you with this brush. Im annoyed that lazy individuals can just sit back and not contribute to society.

We as a country make it too easy to go down this route of poverty. I believe everyone should do as you've done. You made a mistake maybe, but you worked damn hard and had self respect and determination to go your own way and do it yourself. While you prob got tax credits etc... you did it on your own.

Maybe its my personal background, i come from a town in west yorkshire that was ex-industrial (steel and other textile industries). Employment opportunities are poor and the centre of the town is literally encircled with housing estates. The rest of the population of britain is bankrolling the town...I personall had to move to plymouth to get a good job.

I lived below one of these estates my parents were and are hard working people, im not from a rich background but they slaved damn hard for me. what annoys me is that i'd regularly go to these estates and travel through them. They were bad places to go if you werent from them, altho i seemed to be ok as i lived near enough to them.

If you wanted something stolen, i knew people who could get it.
If you wanted drugs, i knew tons of people who could get it.


Essentially the estate was made up of junkies, druggies, drug dealers, thieves and their families. Not everyone is the same and im not tarring anyone with a brush... but when you shove 1000 people with no jobs, no education and no motivation to change their life.. it becomes a self fulfing prophecty where the kids get pregnant young, ask about their right to a roof over their head, get their own council house and start their own fallen family.... People i knew there 15 years ago are stil ldoing the same thing today... nothing.

Ofc im only desribing the extremes the ones who were good, although in bad situation and needed help would've been unseen... but ones i did 'see' were quite bad... people sitting outside their houses with untidied lawns, rubbish and scrap metal on the gardens... with dog poo and everything all over.

My Dad was well known in the town and when he got somethnig nicked... (burglary tv etc) he simply asked around the council estate... and found the ones who did it... Lets say they didnt do it again.

The question is simple... How is this situation benefiting britain as a whole. While i beliveve in helping those who have gotten a bad situation... why should I bank roll through taxes.. and then through JSA etc and increased council tax share (as those who cant pay... the rest must come from the others). for these individuals to life a half-life... thanks to others?

neas

poppy10 wrote: »

There's a film called Idiocracy based on exactly this concept.

Kinda true though isnt it? We've got to a plateua point where there is no discriminator.

Where in the past the smart homosapien who used tools survived and bred more... now the smart homosapien gets outbred by less smart inidividuals.

Will we devolve? weird eh?