UK Stockmarket 2009 and beyond

sabretoothtigger

Yea thats right, the GM thing was apparently not as bad as expected. I see 30bn funding and wonder how this is good but I dont understand exactly

How long can be 'less worse' be a reason for rises. This guy suggest the market is rising because of price inflation not actual real gains, confusing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j2Ysy1Wqhw






Here is a 2006 article on dow vs gold and below is the up to date chart which shows the dow has fallen in 'true value' over the last month not risen

http://seekingalpha.com/article/21641-dow-to-gold-ratio-tells-a-bearish-picture





http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui

duck_3

Well who would of anticipated for the markets to change and go up like there have been doing and dramatically.
Like i said even the housing markets are doing better
I believe the markets will still do better today and so on.


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sabretoothtigger wrote: »

Yea thats right, the GM thing was apparently not as bad as expected. I see 30bn funding and wonder how this is good but I dont understand exactly

How long can be 'less worse' be a reason for rises. This guy suggest the market is rising because of price inflation not actual real gains, confusing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j2Ysy1Wqhw






Here is a 2006 article on dow vs gold and below is the up to date chart which shows the dow has fallen in 'true value' over the last month not risen

http://seekingalpha.com/article/21641-dow-to-gold-ratio-tells-a-bearish-picture





http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui

With regards to GM, bond holders were the most prominent stumbling block to a quick bankruptcy, they seem to have backed down and conceded to pave the way for the government plans to go ahead uncontested.
As far as the stock market goes, if you print enough money it will find it's way into equities and other assets, and thus equities will rise in nominal value (and Mr Bernanke it seems will convert all the paper he can find into US$).

The trend in stocks remains up, the S&P has finally closed above the 200 sma, and I believe another good day should have it on its way to my previously mentioned 1014 target. As part of the recapitalization, banks are required to sell shares and other assets, they have billions of dollars on their balance sheets courtesy of the government, therefore it is in their interest to push markets up until that is done and they now have the money to do it. Allied to that I believe many people (investment funds) have missed this rally, as the stock market continues to rise that money will be forced into the markets as fund managers are squeezed. A fund manager would rather place a wrong bet and lose money, than sit on the sidelines in cash while the market moves higher. Meanwhile the media has become "reassuringly" more bullish cheerleading from the sidelines. For the average investor it's a bit trickier, he does not share the fund managers' preference to lose money rather than miss an opportunity, for those who are already in and sitting on profit, so far so good, for those still looking to move in, if you are active, as said imho there is some 5-10% upside here. For longer term (not my game) buy and hope, I'd wish you luck, buying after a 30-40% rise is always going to be risky, so far much of the improvement in sentiment has been predicated on "less worse" news, rather than good news and thus would be very vulnerable to a worse than expected data point.

An interesting area to watch is the long term bond market as it has become very volatile recently, the US Ten yr T note yield moved from a Friday close of 3.46% to a close y'day of 3.71% and sparked mumblings of the return of the bond vigilantes, any rise above 4% could be interesting.
Fair disclosure, I am around 40% long on various commodities, and about 20% long stocks, mostly resource related. I also have a small short hedge on both the FTSE and S&P.

uk_steve

Dam my selftrade day performance trade window is down

is there anywhere else i can check share performances?

i would like it to be around 15mins correct of price shown or better


basicly i monitor some shares via all the Uk Sectors every 20 mins or so

Thanks in advance

tonygee_3

Teletext on Channel 4 do 15 min share prices
Page 514+

uk_steve

i dont have teletext :-(

im still like an old dragon when it comes to TV


internet is a big wow for me he!he!

thanks anyway ;-)

tonygee_3

Markets been moving sideways for weeks,up one day down the next,yoyo investing.Speculators with loadsacash on sidelines now pushing up prices of commodities and oils,this could be devastating for any recovery,imagine oil back to $150 in a recession.This will cripple buisness and individuals.
Today FTSE falls as ARABS pull out of BARCLAYS
More cashstrapped miners begging for cash

tonygee_3

Try iii or msn money steve

uk_steve

Cheers for that

tonygee_3

SOLD TNI +15%
Bought GSK