NRP - csa1 to csa2

Blob

Something to think about with all the talk about bills for the kids. I had mine for 2 nights a week and weekends as well as holidays, untill my ex decided that she would get more money out of me if I did not see our kids anymore, and yes, the children have two parents and dont belong to the mother as some seem to think! I paid all of my bills and rent and all of the rest of it, funny thing is that it cost me a great deal less than the figures put up here and I now have to pay over £400 a month. I a mear man can do it for less then surely the woman of this world can do far better, or are they blowing the money on things that are not important in the real world, hair do's to name one!

If you feel that you can do it go for it, you have to try if you are that much of an end! In the event that you go to work on the 'Black Economy' and get the support of your doc, then the only thing to blame if that is the correct word is the 'System' that makes it imposable for the NRP, and yes they are of both genda to live. Everyone should remember that this 'System' has caused at the very least 61 people to take their own lives, and that is the findings of Coroners. With this in mind who can therefore defend these people and their actions, and how can they even try to hide behind the law?

catenorfolk

how many kids do you have and what kind of ages are they?

Soubrette

Blob wrote: »

funny thing is that it cost me a great deal less than the figures put up here and I now have to pay over £400 a month. I a mear man can do it for less then surely the woman of this world can do far better, or are they blowing the money on things that are not important in the real world, hair do's to name one!

Of course I can do it for less and in fact thanks the lying ex I do do it for less, we eat value food whilst he enjoys his organic food, we holiday once a year in Cornwall while he has his foreign holidays and weekends away, we cut back on haircuts and shop at Matalan while he cruises his boutiques for italian shoes, we run our one car between the four of us while he can choose either the family car or his sports car. All of our expenses are heavily subsidised by my partner who is not the girls' Dad.

Of course we can do it for less but they are his children too and are supposed to benefit from his income. Why am I spending over 50% of my income and yet he gets to spend less than 5% of his on 'our' children?

And don't get me started on shared care - we have shared care - he can't even make it two nights a week, he doesn't want them to live with him full time and when one daughter asked to see him for extra time on the weekend she was told no - that was his and his girl friends special time - along with the other 24 days of the month :rolleyes:

What a fine upstanding NRP he is!

Sou

edited to add - and when I say family car, I do not mean his and his girlfriend's - no it is his other car, she has her own car!!

Loopy_Girl

Blob wrote: »

Something to think about with all the talk about bills for the kids. I had mine for 2 nights a week and weekends as well as holidays, untill my ex decided that she would get more money out of me if I did not see our kids anymore, and yes, the children have two parents and dont belong to the mother as some seem to think! I paid all of my bills and rent and all of the rest of it, funny thing is that it cost me a great deal less than the figures put up here and I now have to pay over £400 a month. I a mear man can do it for less then surely the woman of this world can do far better, or are they blowing the money on things that are not important in the real world, hair do's to name one!

If you feel that you can do it go for it, you have to try if you are that much of an end! In the event that you go to work on the 'Black Economy' and get the support of your doc, then the only thing to blame if that is the correct word is the 'System' that makes it imposable for the NRP, and yes they are of both genda to live. Everyone should remember that this 'System' has caused at the very least 61 people to take their own lives, and that is the findings of Coroners. With this in mind who can therefore defend these people and their actions, and how can they even try to hide behind the law?

Oh dear. I used to think you were an intelligent man who could look at things impartially and pragmatically (although who needs to make friends with spell checker;)) rather than a man who goes down the route of cheap digs

This system has not made 61 people take their lives. THEY are responsible for taking their lives and if you look at those cases you will find that these people were in lots of debt - but hey, blaming the CSA (at the time when the country was in hysteria about them) merits more scandal inches in The Mirror than saying that it was a Freemans catalogue debt eh?
These selfish people (and yes they were bloody selfish - who decides it's okay to leave kids having to deal with that unless they are selfish?) decided to take their lives and leave destruction behind rather than dealing with their issues - nothing to do with the CSA.

catenorfolk

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Oh dear. I used to think you were an intelligent man who could look at things impartially and pragmatically (although who needs to make friends with spell checker;)) rather than a man who goes down the route of cheap digs

This system has not made 61 people take their lives. THEY are responsible for taking their lives and if you look at those cases you will find that these people were in lots of debt - but hey, blaming the CSA (at the time when the country was in hysteria about them) merits more scandal inches in The Mirror than saying that it was a Freemans catalogue debt eh?
These selfish people (and yes they were bloody selfish - who decides it's okay to leave kids having to deal with that unless they are selfish?) decided to take their lives and leave destruction behind rather than dealing with their issues - nothing to do with the CSA.

WELL SAID LOOPY GIRL, what a lot of people do forget it is that it is all about supporting the children who are in the midst of this huge battle. All children deserve the best life we can given them. All other issues regarding sizes of houses, dvds cars etc are irrelevant as long as both parents contribute fairly.!!!!!

jpmummy

But also, the CSA put a lot of financial strain on families by not taking into account ANY of their costs eg childcare, mortgage etc and whilst payments should be made for "CHILD" support, these things MUST be taken into consideration. i know from experience that we have struggled due to payments being increased to almost £350 per month for ONE 18 year old, that is a big chunk of our money. Luckily it will be ending in September but it has made us get into a lot of debt to try and keep things ticking over and put a huge strain emotionally on our family when we know what the cash is being used for!

kelloggs36

The reason that this is the case is because it is deemed that the children's costs should come first, over and above the needs of the NRP and that the NRP should know (under CS2 at least) what the expected payments should be, and in theory they should be able to calculate that out of the available budget for other things. Theory is great isn't it?????

catenorfolk

unfortunately a lot of people that truly want to look after their kids are getting trampled on by the mismanagement of the CSA, but there are sooooo many NRP that dont want to support their kids properly, but again there are a lot of PWC that are taking the mickey.. It is the people in the middle that get caught up in this. I rarely go out, i dont drink, smoke nor gamble. I work, I run a small oldish car, I dont have top class furniture and make do with 2nd hand and recycled stuff. My ex and his new wife earn something like £70/80,000 between them and he is earning about £45/50,ooo of that. They have three houses, several holidays etc. That isnt the problem, that all has nothing to do with me, what is the problem is that £120 a month for two teenagers is not enough when there is enough income going into that household to help support our children who need more. they have an old playstation 2, they have old mobile phones and both kids do part time jobs delivering papers etc to get their pocket money and bless them they offer it to me to help. So if the kids can do that why shouldnt their father.

jpmummy

Theory is great - but they should still take into account the "PWC and their household" income regardless.

jpmummy

catenorfolk wrote: »

unfortunately a lot of people that truly want to look after their kids are getting trampled on by the mismanagement of the CSA, but there are sooooo many NRP that dont want to support their kids properly, but again there are a lot of PWC that are taking the mickey.. It is the people in the middle that get caught up in this. I rarely go out, i dont drink, smoke nor gamble. I work, I run a small oldish car, I dont have top class furniture and make do with 2nd hand and recycled stuff. My ex and his new wife earn something like £70/80,000 between them and he is earning about £45/50,ooo of that. They have three houses, several holidays etc. That isnt the problem, that all has nothing to do with me, what is the problem is that £120 a month for two teenagers is not enough when there is enough income going into that household to help support our children who need more. they have an old playstation 2, they have old mobile phones and both kids do part time jobs delivering papers etc to get their pocket money and bless them they offer it to me to help. So if the kids can do that why shouldnt their father.

Well defies me how my Hubby has to pay so much for ONE 18 year old yet yours is paying less than half for TWO. That can't be right on that income. Just to add, "PWC" and Maintainee (hope that is a real word!) in our case use the cash for nights out and hmmmm substances!?!?! Not for actually day to day essentials. - Yet my child misses out on hols outings etc cos we are being bled dry! I am waiting for them to try and claim through the courts come September for us to finance his "higher education" however the higher I think may not come from a college or uni!