Teachers demand 10% pay rise

dylansmum

StevieJ wrote: »

Private sector me mate

And I am in the limbo land of University - charity in effect. Still, it suits his fantasy and wind-up posts for everyone to be Pub Sector...bless him.

baileysbattlebus

Topov wrote: »

those who cant do, teach. teachers couldnt hack it in the real world and so stay working with kids. a lot of them are women and that tells you its own tale.

if your business was doing well youd stay doing it and not run off to teaching at the first sign of a recession. people who leave teaching have made anough money off us that they can go into semi retirement with a part time job in a cafe or diy shop.

Below is an extract from one of his earlier posts - I haven't copied the entire post just the relevant bit. He is a troll and a sexist one at that.

and so my wife is thinking of returning to teaching (primary schools) and has signed up for a refresher course.

typeractive

abaxas wrote: »

Give them a 20% rise....

But 21 days holiday a year that can only be taken during non term time.

That's a bit flippant.

Teachers already have to take holidays at the most expensive times. As for only 21 days there are non academics that do a LOT less work than a dedicated teacher whom are on holidays of around 35 days. I think teachers need the number of holidays they get. They should have more time (not necessarily holidays) to be able to Continue Professional Development also - keeping their skills in touch with the industry etc.

VfM4meplse wrote: »

Everyone else is performance managed on results. But not teachers it seems.

It seems you are wrong. In fact if anything they are nothing but managed upon results.

Retention of students - lose kids for whatever reason and the school (more so FE College) can come down hard on you due to losing their income.

Achievement - often institutions are only paid when students 'pass'. Their failing, puts your course at risk. That's performance monitored.

Value Added - not only how many pass, but also the quality of pass rate.

In house Quality inspection

Ofsted Inspection

That's a lot of targets to be driven by. The thing is teachers don't make any bonus when they reach and surpass such limits. Nor are they paid for any overtime - which if it's anything like me I'd be living the high life by now! 12 hour shifts on a Saturday to mark work is a long hard process - though I don't complain as I knew the process prior to starting - really amazes me how man (usually useless teachers in my experience) complain about the out of hours commitment. Of course I'm not saying it's correct and mandatory to be doing all this extra work - I certainly don't want to have to devote all this extra time, so I need to readdress the way I work for the future.

Topov wrote: »

those who cant do, teach. teachers couldnt hack it in the real world and so stay working with kids. a lot of them are women and that tells you its own tale.

Indeed some teachers can't teach - it's a difficult skill - really it is. Education is in the real world - a very real world, not sure where your world is. Why bother with eduaction when opinions are so blindly formed, It's opinions such as these that are raised by unsupportive, uneducated parents, whom take !!!! all interest in their child's life. In reflection making it much more difficult for teachers to 'just' teach. Many teachers give more of their dedication and care to kids than is necessary - probably why they couldn't hack it in the 'real' world as you say I guess...

As for the pay rise - I don't think it should be awarded - and I teach. A relevant pay rise should be subjected - yes. However, I do think that the base rate of teaching and scope of progression should be widened.

Teachers have a lot more skills than that of just subject knowledge. They are both managers and leaders (well the good ones are), I think they'd do surprisingly well in the real world...

Microstar_2

Seems to be a lot of envy directed at teachers by those who presumably hold non-professional jobs. If the critics have the intellect and qualifications then why not consider a career change...?
I don't remember so much envy of teachers when the economy was booming - in fact there was a big shortage of recruits IIRC (adverts on the telly about 'golden hellos') - I doubt many of the formerly highly-paid finance-sector whizz-kids would have considered teaching as a career option. Now that things have gone rather pear-shaped the knives come out for anyone with a decent and secure job.

I don't know a deal about teaching, but it strikes me that its not an overly-well rewarded job with possibly nightmare working conditions (think of dealing with 30+ teenagers in one of our inner-city comprehensives). Its not something I would ever want to do, not even with a 50% increase in salary.

Topov_3

Hopefully the goverment will now start raking back some of the huge pots of cash given to teachers and doctors and nurses, and also rein in the huge pensions paid to these parasites.

boyse7en

Topov wrote: »

Hopefully the goverment will now start raking back some of the huge pots of cash given to teachers and doctors and nurses, and also rein in the huge pensions paid to these parasites.

Blimey, your a bit desperate aren't you? Digging up a post from nearly a week ago just to get in a little light trolling.

Old_Slaphead

Topov wrote: »

Hopefully the goverment will now start raking back some of the huge pots of cash given to teachers and doctors and nurses, and also rein in the huge pensions paid to these parasites.

Mmmmm, even I think that's pushing it a bit - classing nurses as parasites. Hopefully you won't need to go to A&E soon.

Topov_3

there just overpaid cleaners.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Is it NuLabour's fault that even the trolls are rubbish these days?

Rosie75

Some posters have mentioned the "generous benefits package" that teachers and lecturers enjoy. I grant you there is a decent pension scheme (which we, as well as our employers, contribute to). However, most of the teachers and lectuers I know spend considerable amounts of their own money on items that should, rightly, be covered by their employers. I went round town with a teacher friend a while ago and she spent a small fortune on teaching resources for her classroom which her school will not cover. Similarly, as a university lecturer, it is part of my job to research and publish (those long summer "holidays" :rotfl:) - which I usually end up having to do at my own expense, since research funding is so constricted. I would say that I and my colleagues easily spend £2-3k each year out of our own individual salaries to cover research and publication costs. If we don't undertake these activities, we lose our jobs. Our employers may subsidise our pensions, but those who work in education very often subsidise their employers' activities too. And let's not go into unpaid overtime.
Edited to add: I agree that asking for 8-10% payrises is unrealistic at this time. I doubt that UCU members would actually vote for this, giving that redundancies are now rife in virtually all institutions. I would rather the union chanelled its energy into ensuring that I am not expected to meet my employer's expenses out of my own pocket. If there is no money for research, then it shouldn't be part of the job (though, admitedly, it wouldn't then be the kind of job I would want to do...)