Teachers demand 10% pay rise

jem16

mitchaa wrote: »

Teacher pay in Scotland after 6 years is £33,400.

Teachers are supposed to be bright, well this is certainly not a bright move by their union. Talk about inappropriate timing:rolleyes: They will just cause public outrage and hatred and in my opinion they have not got a hope in hell.

You keep quoting Scotland in this.

This has nothing to do with Scotland at all. The NUT is a teaching union in England and does not represent Scottish teachers at all. Our increase as from April 09 was 2.5%. Next year's will be 2.4%.

Just to put perspective on the figures, £33k is how much a Police SGT is paid, which is around the same for a military SGT pay or similar rank in the fire brigade union, and certainly more than an NHS degree qualified nurse so what makes a teacher any more important than any of the roles listed above?

I don't have a problem with my wage - I'm quite happy with it.

What I do have a problem with is why people have to keep harping on about the holidays we get. If you are so jealous come into teaching.

stephen163

dylansmum wrote: »

My pay as a uni lecturer after 8 years training was 17.5K; hardly a fortune? But that is fine. I chose to do this - yet it does show that the coutnry wanted to pay thsoe training teachers well below average for other professions. Perhaps we just do not value our kids' education? For me the pay (for lecturers) is not the issue - it is the ever-increasing workload (which means pay is lower) and our educational culture.

The average salary for a lecturer now is £35k, but then a lot of them must be ancient with several decades experience. Do you count the PhD in with that 8 years of training?

jem16

stephen163 wrote: »

Might surprise a few people to find out that primary school children are better behaved now than they were in the 70's (as reported by several studies looking into changes in education). The improvement was said to be because of changes in the way children are taught - More praise, less punishment, more engagement.

Actually it does surprise me.

I taught in the late 70s and early 80s. The children then were much more able and much further ahead at the same stage than today's children. I don't remember any great discipline problems then. There were the usual ones of course but often the threat of discipline was enough to keep a whole lot on the straight and narrow.

Today's children are so enthroned in the reward culture that they will only do something if there is some sort of reward in it for them. Less children volunteer to do things these days unless there is something in it for them.

And yes I am still teaching today but looking forward to retirement immensely. Teaching now is not how I started out.

dylansmum

stephen163 wrote: »

The average salary for a lecturer now is £35k, but then a lot of them must be ancient with several decades experience. Do you count the PhD in with that 8 years of training?

This was in 2000 and yes I counted my PhD. No, I am not ancient. The starting salary is 25-8K now on average - depends on role profile and institution.

domcastro

mitchaa wrote: »

What a lot of rubbish:mad:

Teacher pay in Scotland after 6 years is £33,400. This is for 39wks of the year so an equivalent of £856pw for every week that they do actually work. If we extrapolate that £856pw over the average workers 46wks in work it's an equivalent salary of nearly £39,300.

You cannot possibly suggest that is a low wage, that puts them in the top 20% of the workforce

The £33,400 or the equiv £39k figure is way over average (£26k median £20k mean) so teachers ARE already well paid.

Just to put perspective on the figures, £33k is how much a Police SGT is paid, which is around the same for a military SGT pay or similar rank in the fire brigade union, and certainly more than an NHS degree qualified nurse so what makes a teacher any more important than any of the roles listed above?

Teachers are supposed to be bright, well this is certainly not a bright move by their union. Talk about inappropriate timing:rolleyes: They will just cause public outrage and hatred and in my opinion they have not got a hope in hell.

No it's not rubbish - are you saying I'm a liar? I was on 20k, the computer graduates were offered between 18k and 25k. Some placement students were getting 17k

I have worked in education since 1994. I have a phd and I'm now on 34k - it's taken 15years for me to get to what you call the 35k average salary. I
So keep your red angry icons to yourself!!!

dylansmum

domcastro wrote: »

No it's not rubbish - are you saying I'm a liar? I was on 20k, the computer graduates were offered between 18k and 25k. Some placement students were getting 17k

I have worked in education since 1994. I have a phd and I'm now on 34k - it's taken 15years for me to get to what you call the 35k average salary. I
So keep your red angry icons to yourself!!!

Same story here. Peeps - it is TRUE.

domcastro

and where you get 39wks from - god knows - just because there's no students/pupils doesn't mean there's no work. I get 25 days holiday - 5 weeks after 15 years. so is there only 44 weeks in a year?

domcastro

and for those of you who think it's a disgrace you'll be very pleased to know that this very minute I have received an email from the union saying the universities are backing down on our promised payrises - blackmailing us for job security. We were promised a payrise and now they are using the credit crunch as an excuse. basically - shut up or we'll make you redundant! considering class sizes are now 220 - 300 students for the first year - it's your children who will suffer. I used to know all the names of my students and now I barely recognise them.
Dear colleague

National negotiations latest

• no pay offer
• 100 institutions seeking job cuts

UCU and its fellow trade unions met the Universities and Colleges Employers Association (UCEA) on 30 March to receive what we thought would be an initial pay offer.

However at this meeting the employers informed the unions that:

• it was not possible to make a pay offer
• up to 100 HE institutions were making plans for collective redundancies
• salary increases would need to be 'traded off' against job protection.

UCEA has indicated that up to 100 institutions, around two-thirds of participating institutions, are looking to lose people. They were keen to state that they wanted trade union negotiators to keep job security in mind.

donaldtramp

mitchaa wrote: »

What a lot of rubbish:mad:

Teacher pay in Scotland after 6 years is £33,400. This is for 39wks of the year so an equivalent of £856pw for every week that they do actually work. If we extrapolate that £856pw over the average workers 46wks in work it's an equivalent salary of nearly £39,300.

You cannot possibly suggest that is a low wage, that puts them in the top 20% of the workforce

The £33,400 or the equiv £39k figure is way over average (£26k median £20k mean) so teachers ARE already well paid.

Just to put perspective on the figures, £33k is how much a Police SGT is paid, which is around the same for a military SGT pay or similar rank in the fire brigade union, and certainly more than an NHS degree qualified nurse so what makes a teacher any more important than any of the roles listed above?

Teachers are supposed to be bright, well this is certainly not a bright move by their union. Talk about inappropriate timing:rolleyes: They will just cause public outrage and hatred and in my opinion they have not got a hope in hell.

Mitch lets not forget their bombproof, final salary, taxpayer funded and guaranteed pension eh?
I'll wager that is worth a pretty penny. I wonder how much that is going to cost the taxpayer in the coming decades?

BILLIONS!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/3204793/Town-hall-pensions-cost-taxpayers-4bn.html

The study by the Pensions Policy Institute says that although the Government has tried to cut back on the cost of public sector pensions, currently estimated at a total of £650billion, most civil servants, council officers and teachers will still receive pension pots "substantially" larger than their counterparts in the private sector.
State employees will get more than a fifth of their salaries in pensions, it claims, while others will have to make do on just 7 per cent of their earnings.
It warns that the annual cost to the taxpayer of gold-plated public sector pensions will rise by 40 per cent over the next 20 years, higher than spending on long-term care and health. The report claims the bill for looking after an ever-growing army of retired state workers will consume 1.4 per cent of Britain's entire income by 2028.

All this for 39 weeks work a year!!!
10 percent wage increase?
10 percent wage CUT and pension cull required .....

dylansmum

We have to worry about redundancies and yet ever growing cohorts of intakes. Mind you, cap put on this year. Unis are stalling and will likely make offer on 27th. But this does not solve the issue IMHO. Pay does not equate with actual work loads that grow and grow year by year.

The worry I have is the continual expansion of degrees without the resources needed to teach at a high level. At my place in my relatively successful dept (RAE wise) we could easily over-recruit. But it is stupid to do so. Last year we did - and this coming year we will be in crisis to cover year 2 teaching. Maternity cover, for example, is not being covered, leaving a gaping hole. A growing number of casual workers are called on to teach complex material at low pay. This means perm staff picking up the pieces as casual workers not around to see students, answer emails etc. Group sizes are bigger each year. The marking load is thus silly now. 462s broken all the time. If we are off sick we are not allowed to cancel classes - no cover, just rearrange. For the first time ever this year I was off sick for one day with a tummy bug - caused mayhem. We can't be sick EVER. This is what UCU need to fight - for students, staff and the wider good.

VC s and senior management need to halt THEIR excessive pay rises. Government needs to stop reiinventing the wheel. Grr.