Teachers demand 10% pay rise

dylansmum

donaldtramp wrote: »

Mitch lets not forget their bombproof, final salary, taxpayer funded and guaranteed pension eh?
I'll wager that is worth a pretty penny. I wonder how much that is going to cost the taxpayer in the coming decades?

BILLIONS!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/3204793/Town-hall-pensions-cost-taxpayers-4bn.html


All this for 39 weeks work a year!!!
10 percent wage increase?
10 percent wage CUT and pension cull required .....

So Mr Tramp, shall we cancel state education? ALL parents can pay privately and see what that costs. Go on you know it makes sense.

domcastro

Donaldtramp - once again where are you all getting 39 weeks from? I spend the summer going to conferences and preparing notes for the following year. As I said before I get 25 days holiday.

And I pay 7% a month of my salary for my pension which isn't a final salary scheme - check it out at TeachersPension website. maybe you should have spent more time at school and gained a better education

StevieJ

domcastro wrote: »

Donaldtramp - once again where are you all getting 39 weeks from? I spend the summer going to conferences and preparing notes for the following year. As I said before I get 25 days holiday.

And I pay 7% a month of my salary for my pension which isn't a final salary scheme - check it out at TeachersPension website. maybe you should have spent more time at school and gained a better education

Love to know what that tramp guy does for a living

donaldtramp

So Mr Tramp, shall we cancel state education? ALL parents can pay privately and see what that costs. Go on you know it makes sense.

What a nonsensical point:rolleyes:
Did I say "cancel all education"
or
have you trumped up a point and twisted what I said???
hmm, think its the second option:rotfl:

Nope education is a wonderful thing.
This thread is another fine example of the public sector employee living in LA LA land, expecting everything because they have thrived under Clowns leadership.
Unfortunately Clown thinks he has a chance of winning another election and is now gerrymandering on an absolutely MASSIVE scale by failing to tackle this massive pension timebomb and over employment in the public sector.
After all he can't possibly annoy all those 100s of thousands of public sector employees he has employed, as part of this failed socialist experiment, just before a general election is called. Even he isn't that stupid:rolleyes: So we carry on, building up massive liabilities all so Brown can think he has a chance of winning.
Some where along the line it will come to an abrupt halt. The country has no choice.

I'm just sick of public sector employees complaining and at the same time having no comprehension of what they actually get

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/politics/Taxpayer-faces-3bn-bill-as.5119337.jp

THE credit crunch has smashed a £3bn hole in Scotland's biggest public sector pension fund, prompting fears taxpayers may have to pick up the bill.

Scotland on Sunday can reveal that the Local Government Pension Scheme – which has around 400,000 members across the country – lost nearly 20% of its value in just a year as stock markets tumbled.

The biggest fund, in Strathclyde, lost nearly £2bn in that period, prompting warnings that unless stocks recover, council taxpayers will have to meet the cost of the funds.

Councils are already spending more than £600m a year of public money on their pension schemes. Some councils are paying up to 20% of employee salaries to ensure that the pension pot has enough cash.

But with the economy set to deteriorate, this will rise to £700m and more over the next few years, depriving communities of cash for schools, and local services.

Davesnave

jem16 wrote: »

Actually it does surprise me.

I taught in the late 70s and early 80s. The children then were much more able and much further ahead at the same stage than today's children. I don't remember any great discipline problems then. There were the usual ones of course but often the threat of discipline was enough to keep a whole lot on the straight and narrow.

Today's children are so enthroned in the reward culture that they will only do something if there is some sort of reward in it for them. Less children volunteer to do things these days unless there is something in it for them.

And yes I am still teaching today but looking forward to retirement immensely. Teaching now is not how I started out.

I'm sceptical too. Like you, I taught through from the 70s to the noughties and I certainly know which era's kids I preferred! That's not to say there aren't many very pleasant children around, but there are more disruptives now, many of whom are simply unhappy rather than 'bad.' They are needy, but not in terms of material things. Quite often, school is the only consistent and calm environment they know.

I'm not sure that it is all down to the break-up of the extended family either, since in my first class about 1/3 were from what were then referred to as 'broken homes.' When I expressed my surprise at the number, an older colleague merely shrugged and said: 'Middle class area, middle-class disease.'

Well, there's something else that's changed!

Topov_3

those who cant do, teach. teachers couldnt hack it in the real world and so stay working with kids. a lot of them are women and that tells you its own tale.

donaldtramp

domcastro wrote: »

Donaldtramp - once again where are you all getting 39 weeks from? I spend the summer going to conferences and preparing notes for the following year. As I said before I get 25 days holiday.

And I pay 7% a month of my salary for my pension which isn't a final salary scheme - check it out at TeachersPension website. maybe you should have spent more time at school and gained a better education

OOH you "go to conferences and prepare notes" all summer, that sounds tough:rotfl:

As for your pension comment, a perfect example of why public sector employees have no idea what they are ACTUALLY getting. Now go have a read at the links I've just posted and go try understand. The contributions and guarantees by the taxpayer are worth way more than what you contribute to your pension.
Lets hope your not a maths teacher then eh?

As for;

maybe you should have spent more time at school and gained a better education

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
I am far better qualified than any teacher I have ever met and I wouldn't get out of bed for what a teacher earns!!:rotfl:

domcastro

CLAPTON wrote: »

curious

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The TPS is a contributory scheme administered by Teachers' Pensions (TP) on behalf of the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF). It is a defined benefit ‘final salary' scheme and is one of the most important and valuable benefits available to teachers. The TPS not only provides you with a regular income after you retire but can also provide a lump sum. It also gives financial protection to your family or other dependants after you die.

Well it's not. I just got the bumpf through - it WAS a final salary scheme but it's not anymore

domcastro

I'm not getting involved in this anymore - too many idiots

gauly

I think teachers would get a lot more sympathy if they would negotiate on regional pay and on subject related pay. For an arts degree in Gateshead a teacher's salary is an excellent wage. I've got a maths degree and live in the South East. I can earn twice what a teacher does just by hacking a bit of code into a computer - and no discipline problems or talking back to deal with either!