Housing crisis. Number 10 apologises over tory slur e-mail

bluey890

shuze wrote: »

crikey I've never been accused of being serious before.

I think you're serious too.
That's twice now in a matter of minutes.

Zagu

I hope the details are released as it sounds quite amusing. It seems like an utterly desperate move, and well below the usual sniping and spin.

shuze

bluey890 wrote: »

I think you're serious too.
That's twice now in a matter of minutes.

aww thanks. And may I just say in return, you're no fake.

tomterm8

what worried me about this is that a secure e-mail system, which presumably is used in national defence and for other highly sensitive purposes, is so easily compromised.

Graham_Devon

tomterm8 wrote: »

what worried me about this is that a secure e-mail system, which presumably is used in national defence and for other highly sensitive purposes, is so easily compromised.

What's been comprimised? The bloke sending the e-mail would have all the security passes to use the system.

The e-mail system itself will be highly secure. But who they send the e-mails to is another matter.

tomterm8

The e-mail system. You don't need to hack into a computer to compromise a security system. The fact this bloke sent an e-mail using a secure network to someone who he obviously couldn't trust shows that the e-mail system itself is not secure.

Incidentally, that doesn't mean i think this leak is against the national interest, but if I was the IT manager on the system, I would be doing an audit to see whether the system had more social holes than swiss cheese.

amcluesent

>what worried me about this is that a secure e-mail system<

The 'national security' angle is just part of the chaf being desperately put up by No.10 to try and divert attention from the real story that civil-servants and NuLabour politicians were deeply involved in setting up a 'deniable' web-site that would smear the Tory leadership with allegations of child abuse etc.

Sadly the Telegraph is complicit in NuLabour damage-limitation, it seems due a journalist being drinking buddies with a NuLabour insiders.

Graham_Devon

tomterm8 wrote: »

The e-mail system. You don't need to hack into a computer to compromise a security system. The fact this bloke sent an e-mail using a secure network to someone who he obviously couldn't trust shows that the e-mail system itself is not secure.

Incidentally, that doesn't mean i think this leak is against the national interest, but if I was the IT manager on the system, I would be doing an audit to see whether the system had more social holes than swiss cheese.

So this e-mail system should only be able to send e-mails to certain people? That what you are saying?

Cat695

I thought it was because some muppet emailed his mate who then emailed his mate who then leaked it to the media.....nothing to do with how secure an email system is.

tomterm8

I don't think it is though. If we ignore the content of the emails, which is shocking, what we get to is something much worse. The Labour government has absolutly no control over its computer security. Sensitive personal data is wildly available to tens of thousands of people, national security information is not controled , parliamentry e-mail priveleges are available to hundreds of people who shouldn't have them, and national security documents are left on trains or sent through the post.

It is an absolute scandle.

My view is that the fact that government e-mail systems designed to protect nuclear secrets are being used for party politics is itself a scandle that is threatening the security of our country.

Cat695 wrote: »

I thought it was because some muppet emailed his mate who then emailed his mate who then leaked it to the media.....nothing to do with how secure an email system is.

In a secure computer system, you control the flow of data. If someone can send a muppet e-mail to his mates, which is them cc'd to other mates, and etc, then exactly the same thing could hapen with national security data. The system is utterly compromised.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So this e-mail system should only be able to send e-mails to certain people? That what you are saying?

You need a competantly designed system, whereby normal unsecure e-mail is done using one system, and secure e-mail is done using another system, with tight control over who can e-mail certain types of information to whom.