Fuel duty rise tonight

Rochdale_Pioneers

itsnever2lateisit? wrote: »

Well businesses, particularly hauliers were hit when Darling cut VAT, because he put duty up to compensate. But for business it meant that there was less VAT to reclaim, and they cant reclaim excise duty

Hauliers have to recognise that they are not the protected industry they demand to be. There is too much dead wood in their industry as there was on the high street and elsewhere.

If a duty increase of tuppence - at a time when diesel is 30p a litre lower than its peak - is enough to push them over then the question has to be asked if they are really a viable business.

Still, they can always resurrect the protests, and get the Daily Express to continue its campaign for a 10p cut in duty. Think about it - 10p off diesel gets pump prices right back to the levels they were in 2000 - when the hauliers brought Britain to a halt saying that 85p a litre would kill them all....

hullight

My bike got nicked back in December and I have only recently replaced it. Prices at the moment still seem a steal to me!

Graham_Devon

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Hauliers have to recognise that they are not the protected industry they demand to be. There is too much dead wood in their industry as there was on the high street and elsewhere.

If a duty increase of tuppence - at a time when diesel is 30p a litre lower than its peak - is enough to push them over then the question has to be asked if they are really a viable business.

Still, they can always resurrect the protests, and get the Daily Express to continue its campaign for a 10p cut in duty. Think about it - 10p off diesel gets pump prices right back to the levels they were in 2000 - when the hauliers brought Britain to a halt saying that 85p a litre would kill them all....

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I've come to the conclusion, you simply do not get it.

beingjdc

Graham_Devon wrote: »

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I've come to the conclusion, you simply do not get it.

In fairness, a certain party has suddenly gone very quiet about this; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7491907.stm


The Conservatives are proposing changes to the way fuel duty is calculated which they say would let government "share the pain" of rising prices. Shadow chancellor George Osborne told the BBC the party was looking at plans to cut fuel duty when oil prices rise and increase it when prices fall.

Graham_Devon

beingjdc wrote: »

In fairness, a certain party has suddenly gone very quiet about this; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7491907.stm


The Conservatives are proposing changes to the way fuel duty is calculated which they say would let government "share the pain" of rising prices. Shadow chancellor George Osborne told the BBC the party was looking at plans to cut fuel duty when oil prices rise and increase it when prices fall.

This isn't what Labour are doing though.

They are just getting a tax increase in quick, re-writing their own rules to do so, so they don't have to mention the tax increase in the budget.

Thrugelmir

This is similar to the change of banding for employees nic which was announced in last years budget but takes effect from next week. GB thinks that the majority are too alseep to notice his sleight of hand.

Rochdale_Pioneers

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This isn't what Labour are doing though.

They are just getting a tax increase in quick, re-writing their own rules to do so, so they don't have to mention the tax increase in the budget.

Screw the rules - so may others have gone out the window anyway what does it matter?

My point about the hauliers is valid. They scream and shout but always manage to survive, even when pump prices were 45p above the 85p point where they called the protests.

Noone is saying high fuel prices is good. But according to you right whingers we need to balance the budget - so here's a tax increase. Are the Tories going to reverse it? Isn't their policy to INCREASE fuel duty when oil prices are low as they are now?

So with all due respect making a party political point out of an issue that has cross party consensus is a bit stupid don't you think?

roddydogs

It cant go up--inflation is Zero, remember!

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Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Screw the rules - so may others have gone out the window anyway what does it matter?

My point about the hauliers is valid. They scream and shout but always manage to survive, even when pump prices were 45p above the 85p point where they called the protests.

Noone is saying high fuel prices is good. But according to you right whingers we need to balance the budget - so here's a tax increase. Are the Tories going to reverse it? Isn't their policy to INCREASE fuel duty when oil prices are low as they are now?

So with all due respect making a party political point out of an issue that has cross party consensus is a bit stupid don't you think?

If Labour want to save money, my I suggest instead of shafting hauliers with huge tax burdens compared to their european counterparts, that Labour cut the 'dead wood' from the public sector and social security budget, ask them to

1. Turn the heating off in their buildings in the summer instead of opening windows.
2. Stop paying people with large household incomes tax credits.
3. Stop growing the £160 billion social security fund and instead start to reduce it.
4. Stop gold plated pensions for public sector workers.
5. Stop creating jobs in the public sector and create jobs in the productive private sector.
6. Set up and independent authority that keeps civil servants out of the 'trough'.

Get the picture.

Wookster

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Hauliers have to recognise that they are not the protected industry they demand to be. There is too much dead wood in their industry as there was on the high street and elsewhere.

If a duty increase of tuppence - at a time when diesel is 30p a litre lower than its peak - is enough to push them over then the question has to be asked if they are really a viable business.

Still, they can always resurrect the protests, and get the Daily Express to continue its campaign for a 10p cut in duty. Think about it - 10p off diesel gets pump prices right back to the levels they were in 2000 - when the hauliers brought Britain to a halt saying that 85p a litre would kill them all....

Q: What's the difference then between car plants and workers :rolleyes:
A: One's good for the election, the other is not.