The Middle-class - "Sorry, we're a bit useless!"

BernardM

torontoboy45 wrote: »

at least we don't agonize over 'class' in the way previous generations did -they lived in a world that was wholly defined by 'class', and one which most of us wouldn't recognise.

***thank God for the 1960's****

I read the broadsheets. I drink too much beer. I play golf. I eff and blind when things go wrong. I go tothe theatre. I eat kebabs. I read social/political history. I watch eastenders. I listen to the archers. I shop at m and s. I shop at aldi's.

someone categorize me, for God's sake.

We have a system of society called Capitalism. The political definition of a class is defined by it's relationship to the means of production. If you work by hand or by brain irrespective of what you do or what you earn you are a member of the working class. If you own and control the means of production, distribution and exchange you are a member of the ruling and controlling class.
That's how I would define it so there is no such thing as middle class. There are only 2 classes.
And you should vote accordingly.

mardatha

Well personally I take no notice whatsoever of anybody's background/money/accent. Either they are naturally polite, considerate and compassionate...or else they're not . And I don't waste my time on the latter.

Zagu

Er, quite interesting Bernard, but I can't see what it's got to do with what I said. While your post is about the right to protest, which I full support, I was talking about the diversification of the protesters being so wide, coupled with those who really don't care what the protest is about but enjoy covering their faces and being antagonistic, means that the protesters objectives become muddy and non-productive, making the whole protest somewhat futile. Personally I don't consider that the protests achieved anything.

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BernardM wrote: »

If you work by hand or by brain irrespective of what you do or what you earn you are a member of the working class. If you own and control the means of production, distribution and exchange you are a member of the ruling and controlling class.
That's how I would define it so there is no such thing as middle class. There are only 2 classes.
And you should vote accordingly.

You should vote according to your job, and not dependant on the issues that need addressing?!!

Wish I hadn't bothered replying now.

BernardM

The media avoided the leaders of the movement and we didn't see any coverage of those who marched to Trafalgar Square. Did you here anything that day from Tony Benn, Arthur Scargill, anti debt campaigner Susan George, Palestinian singer Reem Kolani, Jeremy Corbin MP, Kate Hudson from CND and Lindsey German from the Stop the War Coalition.
We were just told they got there eventually by Sky News.

BernardM

Explain why you only think you should vote according to your job.

BernardM

Zagu wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread, but the problem with the protests is that they get hijacked by every fringe group in existence. Marxists. Socialists. Free Tibet/Palestine/School Lunches. PETA. Greens. Unions. Student Fees. All it does is dilute their cause, not strengthen it.

You must be pretty ignorant if you think the unions were a fringe group.

if you understood and agreed with the right to protest how can you say it never achieved anything.