The Middle-class - "Sorry, we're a bit useless!"

ukcarper

It's easy to criticise the so call underclass but if you were unfortunate enough to be born into it would you get out of it. A lot of your future is determined by where you’re born.

donaldtramp

It's easy to criticise the so call underclass but if you were unfortunate enough to be born into it would you get out of it. A lot of your future is determined by where you’re born.

I'd agree but it isn't an excuse to be bandied about either.
I haven't criticised, just trying to define.

Sue I know you say that you don't "like it" but that's the definition and you fall squarely into it. I haven't moaned about benefit claimants once either;)

VfM4meplse

amcluesent wrote: »

Every other community has it's militant organisers, it's firebrands, those who just never stop pushing.

Yet as swathes of the middle-classes lose their homes, jobs and wealth, where is the leader who can unit the many threads of disaffection? Grumbling at a bring'n'buy sale or tut-tutting at the farmer's market isn't going to change anything.

We need to stop being so reasonable, seeing both sides of the argument and being frightened of our own shadows. The middle-class desperately need to find a voice and leader or face oblivion. A lurch to the right is looking ever more attractive.

I won't be wasting my time marching because although I accept it raises awareness and diverts precious policing resources it actually achieves no more than that. If I were being protested against a march would only strengthen my resolve not to be swayed by illogical argument.

Do you really think a riot in Westminster will concentrate minds more than they are now on solving the economic crisis? This implies Nero is fiddling whilst Rome burns. We can accuse the govt of being ineffective but not being inactive or unconcerned.

In this life it's all about picing the battles you can win and also who you know. I would prefer to think laterally and nobble the right person to get my own way than make a visible show of behaving badly for no gain.

The anarchists can go straight to hell.

ukcarper

it helped get rid of pole tax

ukcarper

donaldtramp wrote: »

I'd agree but it isn't an excuse to be bandied about either.
I haven't criticised, just trying to define.

Sue I know you say that you don't "like it" but that's the definition and you fall squarely into it. I haven't moaned about benefit claimants once either;)

Fair enough but how do you go about solving it

PasturesNew

Underclass to me is a way of thinking/behaving. As is working class. You can be working class without a job. You can be underclass with a job.

Underclass: no pride
Working class: have pride
Middle class: up themselves because they think everybody can do what they did and they'll tell you so too
Upper class: no idea whatsoever what's going on and probably a "let them eat cake" attitude

uropachild

Has anyone read the book "Watching the English" by Kate Fox: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Watching-English-Hidden-Rules-Behaviour/dp/0340818867 It covers the subject of class along with other aspects of typically English behaviour in quite a humorous way.

ukcarper

kahwilts wrote: »

I like the title "non class" and think it is excellent that you have found a positive description of yourself.

Unfortunately there are too many people who are on benefits, who just don't want to work or earn their way in life. They are happy to take, take and take, from a system that they, nor their partners, children, families etc will have ever/or will ever pay into.

I have no problem with people claiming benefits so long as whilst they are on them they are actively working to get off them.

The scum class are those, in my honest opinion, who never intend to work, who bring children in to this world and expect others to pay for their upbringing and who's attitude is " take and claim what you can".

I think the majority of people on here are not the scum class you describe, more that they are trying to get themselves in a position where their money is their own, which they earn and which they can then spend as they wish.

Very good but what's the ans

Dr_DiNg_DoNg

uropachild wrote: »

Has anyone read the book "Watching the English" by Kate Fox: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Watching-English-Hidden-Rules-Behaviour/dp/0340818867 It covers the subject of class along with other aspects of typically English behaviour in quite a humorous way.

about 3 years ago, I read it.

uropachild

Dr_DiNg_DoNg wrote: »

about 3 years ago, I read it.

I thought it was great! I spent the whole time going "That's so true!"