Is the UK more racist than other countries?

Generali

lostinrates wrote: »

Well....I have! I provided then deleted a couple of anecdotals, but I could fill the forum with examples. We do obviously have rascism, firing in ALL directions in UK: and I'd be lying if I pretended it wasn't something also experienced here, including by us, but in someways the threads here etc are quite heartening. Even people like me, who would welcome sensible conversation on immigration (based on resources not race or similar) refuse to be pushed into racist leanings.

Well said old thing.

:-))

Generali

Castleman wrote: »

Some of the Asian, Middle East and African countries have this policy (well maybe not the countries, but certain businesses) following an influx of sub-continent labourers over the past 5 years.

I think I misinterpreted your earlier comments.

No offence intended.

lostinrates

Generali wrote: »

Well said old thing.

:-))

Or ; ''well, said''.

And less of the old please, you Banker, you. I'm still young for 12 days or something like that.

Generali

lostinrates wrote: »

Or ; ''well, said''.

And less of the old please, you Banker, you. I'm still young for 12 days or something like that.

"Old Thing" somehow seems to put everyone on a par. Maybe that's just me.

12 days until your 21st birthday! May I be the first to congratulate you?

lostinrates

Generali wrote: »

"Old Thing" somehow seems to put everyone on a par. Maybe that's just me.

12 days until your 21st birthday! May I be the first to congratulate you?

N'ah,I've been collecting congratulations for a couple of weeks now. Treliac and Viva are styocking up on virtual jelly and icecream.

And now you're telling me I've been old for almost nine years? :eek:Sheesh, this is such a cheery forum :rolleyes:

bendix

Britain is - and always has been - a multicultural society. It's very make-up reinforces that. And long may it continue.

Sadly, this multi-culturalism stirs racist and/or xenophobic feelings in some people, but they, by and large, are ignorant and uneducated and, thankfully, tend to be marginalised.

Aren't you, dervish?

Any

bendix wrote: »

Britain is - and always has been - a multicultural society. It's very make-up reinforces that. And long may it continue.

Sadly, this multi-culturalism stirs racist and/or xenophobic feelings in some people, but they, by and large, are ignorant and uneducated and, thankfully, tend to be marginalised.

Aren't you, dervish?

:rotfl:

Very well said.

i8change

This country has never been “multicultural”, the Romans and Vikings came and largely went, 250,000 was the most the Normans ever had on British soil, which necessitated their barbarity to keep control, and not all of them stayed. You only have to look at any 1950’s news reel of London to see the vast difference in only the last 50 years.
Regardless of the protestations of an undemocratic minority, the vast majority of us are heartily sick of what our country has become. We see sensible countries like Holland recalling parliament and severely curtailing immigration due to problems, other countries like Canada ensuring companies prove that skilled Canadians cannot be found before employing foreigners or Australia letting only certain skills in.
Our fathers and grandfathers, who sacrificed a lot in two world wars and would have expected some loyalty from the state in return, not for Gloucester police to be done for illegally rejecting better applications from Englishmen just because they are English and Men.
Apart from the 1960’s there have never been enough decent jobs to go round. Whole counties like Cornwall have masses of people that are desperate for work and if there was really an oversupply of jobs the Government could move public sector jobs to those places, rather than import workers, saving the taxpayer the cost of feeding and housing large numbers of them. There are enough memorials in towns and villages saying “We will never forget” but they do seem to have.
You only have to look at the usual suspects on Crimewatch to realise that imports from crime ridden countries, where life is cheap, may not be a good idea and we all know I don’t mean Chinese without even perusing any statistics.
Did our politicians not notice the upheaval when India had to be partitioned, why would we want what the Indians themselves were forced to reject? Now we have that problem at great expense.
Polls show the majority don’t want the levels of immigration we have and in a democracy that should be enough. I fear it is too late now and the large growing % of population, now completely at odds with government on Immigration and Crime, feel disenfranchised wanting only to looking after their own families now and put nothing into the country that is betraying them.

lostinrates

i8change wrote: »

This country has never been “multicultural”, the Romans and Vikings came and largely went, 250,000 was the most the Normans ever had on British soil, which necessitated their barbarity to keep control, and not all of them stayed. You only have to look at any 1950’s news reel of London to see the vast difference in only the last 50 years.
Regardless of the protestations of an undemocratic minority, the vast majority of us are heartily sick of what our country has become. We see sensible countries like Holland recalling parliament and severely curtailing immigration due to problems, other countries like Canada ensuring companies prove that skilled Canadians cannot be found before employing foreigners or Australia letting only certain skills in.
Our fathers and grandfathers, who sacrificed a lot in two world wars and would have expected some loyalty from the state in return, not for Gloucester police to be done for illegally rejecting better applications from Englishmen just because they are English and Men.
Apart from the 1960’s there have never been enough decent jobs to go round. Whole counties like Cornwall have masses of people that are desperate for work and if there was really an oversupply of jobs the Government could move public sector jobs to those places, rather than import workers, saving the taxpayer the cost of feeding and housing large numbers of them. There are enough memorials in towns and villages saying “We will never forget” but they do seem to have.
You only have to look at the usual suspects on Crimewatch to realise that imports from crime ridden countries, where life is cheap, may not be a good idea and we all know I don’t mean Chinese without even perusing any statistics.
Did our politicians not notice the upheaval when India had to be partitioned, why would we want what the Indians themselves were forced to reject? Now we have that problem at great expense.
Polls show the majority don’t want the levels of immigration we have and in a democracy that should be enough. I fear it is too late now and the large growing % of population, now completely at odds with government on Immigration and Crime, feel disenfranchised wanting only to looking after their own families now and put nothing into the country that is betraying them.

This thread is quite distinct from the question of immigration.

Changing faces? Like the faces in Africa changed? India? The Americas? Australasia? Hong Kong? People do migrate. We are no less guilty than others of that. When people migrate and rule changes you tend to find their has been some inevitable 'cross breeding'. Faces change yes.

As for multicultural, well I'd dispute that too. A lot of the things we consider quintissentially British really are not, and not in some lost in archaeology way either: Tea anybody? Fish 'n' chips, perhaps?

And then there is the book in my husband's family which has the family tree of his parternal line, added to generation after generation, by the hand of whoever headed the family.

Our royal families? Our old landowners...the family names often give it away I rather think

My maternal line is not english. I look and sound as English as anyone, because we are decended from Brits (and others) who 'pioneered' another country and took over. I'm not sure whether I would count as British or not under this kind of thinking?

I could go on but quite frankly I'm bored of a ll of this, but,well, thank you for your perspective.

ETA: I might have replied in more detail, but the text is so dense I want to take a chisel to it, and I can't be bothered to space it out.

Rochdale_Pioneers

i8change wrote: »

This country has never been “multicultural”, the Romans and Vikings came and largely went, 250,000 was the most the Normans ever had on British soil, which necessitated their barbarity to keep control, and not all of them stayed. You only have to look at any 1950’s news reel of London to see the vast difference in only the last 50 years.

I would point to London of 50 years ago and show that as proof that we are and have always been multiculural. The opposite of multi is mono - one culture. Thats not Britain. Culturally the working people of the East End are a world apart from the people living in the leafy north and west of the city. And even within the East end of 50 years ago you have distinctive cultures alive and well - Jewish enclaves, populations of other foreign ethnic backgrounds who came to London via the docks. They may not be making much of a noise, but its a nonsense to suggest that they conform to the mono-culture you suggest that we have always had.

And the Vikings and Normans and Romans and other groups that you mentioned as NOT creating a multi-cultural England? You don't think that having a ruling class speaking entirely French with French customs and culture would have been set apart from the English speaking masses? You don't think that the Viking invaders were culturally different from the natives that they raped and pillaged? And the Romans? They swept away whatever the local cultures and customs were and threw them to the celtic fringes, then built a wall to keep them out.

The idea that we're not and never have been multicultural is a blinkered approached touted by the ignorant. Does that mean that we should panded to every foreign group's concerns? No - but we have to at least recognise that they have their own culture to integrate into our overall umbrella - just as pidgeon-fancying Yorkshiremen have to be accomodated by Opera-loving toffs in Kensington.