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Who would hire a woman worker - Maternity pay to Treble !
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Need I Point out that Numerous Labour Party Members & some Members of Parliament were Strong sympathisers / apologists of the Murderers in Sinn Fein / IRA .. But that was a lot more recent than the 1930's !!!!!! !
A little off the subject methinks.This is an open forum, anyone can post and I just did !0 -
lostinrates wrote: »Of course, this might be more practical if men could choose to breastfeed!
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err...pumps and bottles. it's not pretty but it has been done! and despite all the advise, a lot of women do not breastfeed or continue with it for very long. families should have a choice over who stays home with the baby. at the moment sexist laws mean they don't.
Yes, I remember that...its an alien concept to me, but to each their own. Any chance of men carrying the little wretches yet?
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lostinrates wrote: »Of course, this might be more practical if men could choose to breastfeed!
In essence I agree that there is inherent restriction to women's employment with this inequality, but I also wonder..and it is wonder, not judge, whether this is really the right thing for women, for society...for all of us. Letting, for example, property prices escalate to the point where two salaries are pretty much required has in many cases, simply doubled the burden, not shared it.
I agree. My wife would have loved to give up work after the birth of our child it is not practical/affordable to do so any more.
The problem is you have is women can go from career to wanting to be a stay at home mom in just one day (the birth of a child)
It is hard to please both she used to feel put out by the entitlements of people with children before children.
She now feels put out that society as changed so much it is virtually impossible to have a stay at home mum.
Personally I think it is not entirely sexism as much as practicality and an unavoidable one at that.
whats the solution... don't ask me:D
If you go back to the old days the career women will feel it is sexist.
If you increase the maternity but it could have an effect on employability it is sexist.
I can't see a way out without "sexism" coming in to it as child birth only effects women physicaly.
If men had the same entitlements and they used them what do you think would be the effect on future promotion status?0 -
Need I Point out that Numerous Labour Party Members & some Members of Parliament were Strong sympathisers / apologists of the Murderers in Sinn Fein / IRA .. But that was a lot more recent than the 1930's !!!!!! !
Did you see Martin McGuinness having a go at the Real IRA :eek:'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
One bunch of bas***ds plus another bunch of bas***ds equals two bunches of bas***ds.Need I Point out that Numerous Labour Party Members & some Members of Parliament were Strong sympathisers / apologists of the Murderers in Sinn Fein / IRA .. But that was a lot more recent than the 1930's !!!!!! !0 -
I can't see a way out without "sexism" coming in to it as child birth only effects women physicaly.
If men had the same entitlements and they used them what do you think would be the effect on future promotion status?
Birth only effects women but babycare needn't.
As for effects on promotion, why would this be any more detrimental to men than it is to women.
In my partnership I am the main breadwinner and also self-employed. It would suit us far more if my husband could be the primary post-birth parent and claim pay entitlement as such. Why shouldn't we have this choice?Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron0 -
Birth only effects women but babycare needn't.
As for effects on promotion, why would this be any more detrimental to men than it is to women.
In my partnership I am the main breadwinner and also self-employed. It would suit us far more if my husband could be the primary post-birth parent and claim pay entitlement as such. Why shouldn't we have this choice?
Indeed, but if one were earning and one childcaring and there were no enbtitlement regardless of sex it would also be equal, no?0 -
Birth only effects women but babycare needn't.
As for effects on promotion, why would this be any more detrimental to men than it is to women.
In my partnership I am the main breadwinner and also self-employed. It would suit us far more if my husband could be the primary post-birth parent and claim pay entitlement as such. Why shouldn't we have this choice?
Could that be why I wrote Physically?
The point is you have career woman and women who want to give up work how would you keep both happy without the other having un-equal rights compared to her female counterpart?
My point on promotion it is nothing to do with sex it is to do with time off work so if a man or a woman takes 1+ years off work it would effect there career. maybe not fair but I think in the real world that would be the case.0 -
If you are a small business and considering taking on a member of Staff - avoid woman of child bearing age !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161553/As-Britain-slides-depression-EU-insists-TREBLING-maternity-pay.html
That would be from 16 - 45 ish then,..?0 -
I also think the payment should come from the government and not the business. Welfare benefits are the duty of the state not individuals / private institutions.
Yes, it's the only fair way. I'm speaking as someone who in the past has had their workload increased (and found myself working unpaid overtime) due to a colleague being on maternity as the money just wasn't there to employ a replacement.
When ever I hear of these special rights for various groups I can't help but think "All people are equal but some are more equal than others"."One thing that is different, and has changed here, is the self-absorption, not just greed. Everybody is in a hurry now and there is a 'the rules don't apply to me' sort of thing." - Bill Bryson0
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