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Who would hire a woman worker - Maternity pay to Treble !
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It is you who has a very sexist tone.
I think I will not respond as I will not be drawn in to a sex war with you.
i help my wife as much as i can and am a proud parent.
Your views to be similar to the males that kept women from voting etc but in reverse
I belive in equality and try not to let sex, race, class distort my views.
You may like to try it one day rarther than making out stuff i never said.:p
I didn't think you would be able to answer the points I put forward.
Oh and it's not sexist as I am female and have had children, so i am well aware about the recovery time it takes after pregnancy and childbirth
The bottom line is that, being a good father is going to have to last a lot longer than the two weeks fathers have off for (m)paternity leave.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
LilacPixie wrote: »With my latest baby I had her on the friday evening, out saturday morning and was in tesco on the monday doing the shopping.
I too was out of hospital in hours after my second was born and looking after my 2 year old also. But our bodies will not have recovered in that time.
My two year old loved helping with her baby brother, but she also knew she got her own time too.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
In my 20s, I was asked outright "do you have children, do you plan to have them" at interviews. Of course, whatever you answer they think you will have them.
In my 30s it was hinted at strongly, you knew what they were after...
In my 40s it's still hinted at - including yesterday at an interview, it was OBVIOUS what they were asking when they emphasized the word "flexibility" about working hours.
In your 40s it's tinged with a hint of "surely now you might be desperately fitting one in before it's too late"
As a woman you're penalised if you don't have kids because of those who do choose to have them. Choosing to have them is a choice. Not having them isn't a choice and being female isn't a choice.
And don't get me started on being judged by the size of my bazoomers, how much cleavage I showed at interview, or the fact that: quite simply, you're not as HOT looking as the other totty who applied.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »What did she do when you went back to work? Or are you one of these men who think a womens body can recover in 2 weeks?
My wife was back in size 8 jeans after 2 weeks. Yes, that was definately enough time to make a full recovery. In fact, it was such a good recovery that I decided that she was more than capable of looking after our son whilst I played on the playstation in the evening and spent every weekend in the pub watching football and golf with my mates. Nothing much has changed because the good old tax payer is paying for the nappies, baby wipes, clothes etc.:rolleyes:0 -
and those who don't have children:
Have their pension paid for by other people's children.
Have their TV licence paid for by other people's children.
Have their winter heating allowance paid for by other people's children.
Have their bus pass paid for by other people's children.
Have their hospital/medical treatment paid for by other people's children (which incidentally will be a lot more than a child's hospital care).
As ninky said we live in a society.
Maybe I should have drawn pictures as some people clearly missed the point I was trying to make!
When you said "Why should those people who chose not to have children have their pensions paid by other people's children?" you made it seem like it's all take take take from people who don't have children. That's why I pointed out, albeit rather bluntly, that no it's not all one way!
Yes we live in a society and I know it involves a hell of a lot of give and take on ALL sides. So there really really wasn't any need to once again to try and point out all the take take take - but then again you've got no way to know that I'm not some total moron.
Oh and just to try and make it 100% clear (before someone accuses me) I don't object for one minute to paying for the schooling of children (I even support getting rid of tuition fees and reintroducing grants) or their healthcare or everything else."One thing that is different, and has changed here, is the self-absorption, not just greed. Everybody is in a hurry now and there is a 'the rules don't apply to me' sort of thing." - Bill Bryson0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »As a woman you're penalised if you don't have kids because of those who do choose to have them.
That's a wee bit harsh. If you are being penalised then it's the fault of the person interviewing you, not the fault of women with children.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »I didn't think you would be able to answer the points I put forward.
Oh and it's not sexist as I am female and have had children, so i am well aware about the recovery time it takes after pregnancy and childbirth
The bottom line is that, being a good father is going to have to last a lot longer than the two weeks fathers have off for (m)paternity leave.
So who thought it took 2 weeks to recover? The father of your children? And you ask "What do you think fathers are doing now, that are more hands on than new fathers of say, 20 years ago?"...Well they're taking 2 weeks off to help their partners get through the first couple of weeks after child birth which is clearly more useful than just 1 week.
You certainly don't need to lecture me and Really2 about what it means to be a good father. That's clearly rude and ignorant!0 -
mustrum_ridcully wrote: »Maybe I should have drawn pictures as some people clearly missed the point I was trying to make!
When you said "Why should those people who chose not to have children have their pensions paid by other people's children?" you made it seem like it's all take take take from people who don't have children. That's why I pointed out, albeit rather bluntly, that no it's not all one way!
No need to draw pictures for me. Those without children support other people's children and in the future those children suppot them in their old age. Simple really. We agree.
I should not have to spend thousand and thousands of pounds bringing up my son without any help from the state if he is expected to fund the state (and other people) in the future.0 -
At a place where I worked, one of the directors employed women on the sole basis of whether he thought he would get his leg over. He had a very high hit rate.
Ahh the good old days.0 -
No need to draw pictures for me. Those without children support other people's children and in the future those children suppot them in their old age. Simple really. We agree.
I should not have to spend thousand and thousands of pounds bringing up my son without any help from the state if he is expected to fund the state (and other people) in the future.
So if your son turns out to be a complete waster, should you be liable to return the thousands spent on him?0
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