"Summer of Rage"

bendix

Why are they less fortunate than myself? What a strange assumption. I'm sure Mr Ian Bone mentioned above is no less or no more fortunate than me. It's just that I choose to build a life for myself (and happily contribute to the welfare of those who are indeed less fortunate than myself), whereas he and his ilk prefer to opt out of their responsibilities and attack those - like me - who pay their freaking dole money.

Pangean

I'll be there.

The poor, the needy and the disadvantaged are always attacked for the greed of the scamming few, but the real crime is the wages/pensions/bonuses of the elite.

Stop having a go at the people who need our help and open your eyes to the real scam.

Someone asked 'where does the money come from?' - Well it seems that someone just has to type the numbers into a computer, just look at quantatitive easing in the 10's of billions,(oh yeah we cant let any large corporations go down, but we can see people homeless hungry and cold).

Just for the record...

I work, I pay taxes, I am lucky enough to own a house, I am lucky enough to earn enough to save, and I dont wear tie dye and I definately dont tie dye my hair!!!

lynzpower

2) I will pay for my medical treatment by the health insurance paid for by myself (after paying heaps of taxes)

I dont understand what you mean?

Do you mean the NHS will support you?
Or that your private health insurance will?

If you think the latter you are tremendously short sighted.

Does anyone have a more fuller link the Welfare Abolition Bill? I am all for listening to the left, but appreciate the unbalanced approach.

donaldtramp

OK we get the picture, you don't like paying taxes and certainly are not shy about loudly proclaiming your own worth as a wealth creator. Just don't get sick, old or unemployed, and don't let anyone close to you suffer that fate.

I'm not "proclaiming" my worth. I (along with millions of other taxpayers) am sick to the back teeth of paying for people to sponge from the ever increasing state. People forget that "the state" is really every one else in the country.

Thanks very much for paying all your taxes to help those less fortunate than yourself. Do you think you deserve a medal? And I wouldn't tempt fate by proclaiming that you are as fireproof as you claim to be.

Taxpayers don't deserve medals, but on the other side of the coin, I'm sick of hearing about everyones "entitlements". I'm sorry, but if you don't work, you are entitled to a house over your head, you are entitled to have food, you are entitled to have as many children as you possibly can, you are entitled to claim IB due to your "bad back" etc etc etc
This entitlement culture has releived people of their duties to society, I have witnessed dodgers at first hand who live professionally on benefits. They are a 2 car family, have big flat screen TVs.
Somewhere along the line the concept of poverty has been twisted to mean that being poor means that you don't have a flat screen TV and a disability car.
The benefits system was introduced as a safety net NOT a lifestyle choice.
I am more than willing to pay for the genuine needy but to see people taking us for a ride and breeding for Britain really hacks me off.
Britain has got to the stage that if you are educated you will wait till you can provide a good life for children. On welfare though the key idea seems to be to have as many children as possible.
In Britain it has become "survival of the thickest" and where is that going to get us all and who is going to pay for it?

lynzpower

donaldtramp wrote: »

I'm not "proclaiming" my worth. I (along with millions of other taxpayers) am sick to the back teeth of paying for people to sponge from the ever increasing state. People forget that "the state" is really every one else in the country.


Taxpayers don't deserve medals, but on the other side of the coin, I'm sick of hearing about everyones "entitlements". I'm sorry, but if you don't work, you are entitled to a house over your head, you are entitled to have food, you are entitled to have as many children as you possibly can, you are entitled to claim IB due to your "bad back" etc etc etc
This entitlement culture has releived people of their duties to society, I have witnessed dodgers at first hand who live professionally on benefits. They are a 2 car family, have big flat screen TVs.
Somewhere along the line the concept of poverty has been twisted to mean that being poor means that you don't have a flat screen TV and a disability car.
The benefits system was introduced as a safety net NOT a lifestyle choice.
I am more than willing to pay for the genuine needy but to see people taking us for a ride and breeding for Britain really hacks me off.
Britain has got to the stage that if you are educated you will wait till you can provide a good life for children. On welfare though the key idea seems to be to have as many children as possible.
In Britain it has become "survival of the thickest" and where is that going to get us all and who is going to pay for it?

I think this puddng is well and truly over egged.

No one likes to see exploitation of the benefits system- so why not firm up the tougher stance so that when some of us DO report those who are skanking the benefits system (in many cases it is not those who are sat at home, its thoose out at work and claiming as if they are not , I believe, Ive met and shopped a few of them, all white collar professionals including a teacher) How galling is it when the DWP have done nothing and they are still claiming 6 months later?

I agree there is an underclass in this country, and low aspiration is a huge part of that. The teenage mothers who I worked with could barely read, had been out of school a long time, thier parents didnt work andthey were well and trulty wrapped around the cycle of deprivation. I do think tax credits has gone some way to changing this, as those who start off working part time, can build thier careers- whereas before many sat for a long time.. This site shows that very well.

I do think we need to look at what carers offer this country, who knows you wil probably be one of them, I certainly expect I shall have to give up my job to care for my elderly parents at some point. Carers when I used to commission them used to charge around 18 quid an hour, and most people need at least 2 hours care per day - washinfg and dressing, and that s not cooking, meal,s,shopping, cleaning, laundry when you have wet yourself in the night again, or any other raft of health issues. We are all living longer & we generally have more health conditions as our bodies deteriorate. Just hope you dont get dementia opr parkinsons, cos the stash of cash you have wont last 5 minutes, when you are paying this rate.

itsallagame_2

bendix wrote: »

If I get old or sick or unemployed, one of several things will happen:

1) I will pay for my old age by the money I saved during my working life (after paying heaps of taxes).

2) I will pay for my medical treatment by the health insurance paid for by myself (after paying heaps of taxes)

3) I will pay for any time I have off through unemployment with money I saved while I was working and which I didnt spend on holidays I didnt need and nonsense objects I dont need (after, of course, paying heaps of taxes)

(are you starting to spot a trend here?)

Oh . .and one more thing will happen. I will be paying much less taxes to pay for everyone else's old age, illness and unemployment.

Let's hope that doesnt happen, huh?

I say, old bean! I must express my astonishment of your claims!

Is this fact, or a clever ruse?

You appear to have your future guaranteed, you should sell the secret, more money for your pot.


Millions of unfortunate people in this country have been unable to save for retirement, illness, disability, because their wages have not been substantial enough to allow them to do so. I have no problem with my tax helping these guys, most certainly more palatable than giving it to banks and failed systems.


I have an idea !, lets stop all the government help, which your so in favor of, and then unleash the marauding ,starving, desperate souls upon those who have more than they require to live on.


Perhaps we could have a database of those with more than they need, upload to the net so as the retribution could be organized.
As they come to your door ,you could be given an option, contribute to help, or………well, I’m sure you get the idea.:D

bendix

lynzpower wrote: »

I dont understand what you mean?

Do you mean the NHS will support you?
Or that your private health insurance will?

If you think the latter you are tremendously short sighted.

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Why would I want the NHS to support me? They are there (part-financed by me) to provide for people who can't afford their own care, and rightly so. I don't need NHS care and wouldnt use its resources which are better deployed on those who need it.

Why is it short-sighted to assume my private health insurance will take care of me? If my health insurance isnt enough, I will use other personal resources to pay for myself.

Because - and here's a radical concept in 2009 Britain - that's what taking care of yourself as an adult is all about. Making plans for the future, making provisions for all eventualities, putting aside my desire for 10 holidays a year and another car or a a bigger home to ensure that my obligations not just to me, my future, my loved ones and their family is taken care of, but also my obligations to wider society.

It's a shame it's not a concept shared by Ian Bone and his professional malcontents (most of whom, I note from personal experience) come from much more advantaged backgrounds than me.

bendix

itsallagame wrote: »

I have no problem with my tax helping these guys

Neither do I . . . which rather makes the rest of your post redundant.

I do, though, resent being treated like a pariah by both professional scroungers who exploit the system and professional protesters like this motley crew when it is my hard-earned tax which they are relying on as their god-given right.

StevieJ

itsallagame wrote: »

I say, old bean! I must express my astonishment of your claims!

Is this fact, or a clever ruse?

You appear to have your future guaranteed, you should sell the secret, more money for your pot.


Millions of unfortunate people in this country have been unable to save for retirement, illness, disability, because their wages have not been substantial enough to allow them to do so. I have no problem with my tax helping these guys, most certainly more palatable than giving it to banks and failed systems.


I have an idea !, lets stop all the government help, which your so in favor of, and then unleash the marauding ,starving, desperate souls upon those who have more than they require to live on.


Perhaps we could have a database of those with more than they need, upload to the net so as the retribution could be organized.
As they come to your door ,you could be given an option, contribute to help, or………well, I’m sure you get the idea.:D

A bit extreme, but I see where you are coming from There are a few looneys
around already predicting this and loading up their AK's :eek:

bubblesmoney

many people (and sometimes even me) moan about scroungers.

but who are the scroungers?

is it the single mum bleeding the system just popping out babies and making a career of it by never ever getting to work and just living off the work of others? we need to target those rather than those who were working and had to stop working because their partner abandoned them. those who chose to scrounge because it is better off need to be targetted.

is it all those people with 'bad backs' who never work and live off others? just go to your tesco or asda and see the parking lots. see how many rows of disabled parking lots there are. in some like the tesco i go to almost 25% of the parking lots are disabled parking! i dont grudge reserved parking for the truely disabled but 25-30% is a joke. most of the people parking there with blue badges will be bouncing into tescos with their fully loaded trolleys. some of them look fit enough to be body builders! wonder if they got the blue badges because of 'bad back syndrome'. its those people we need to target and not the really needy people.

or is it those scroungers we never think of, i mean the bankers in thousand pound suits who are raking in more than all of us combined now needing billions in bailouts for their foolish greedy investment decisions that went bad. think of how many years of spending on truely needy people that money could have been spent on instead.

i think the worst of the lot is the snobby people in thousand pound suits needing billion pound bailouts that are the worst of the scroungers and they need to 'get the go to jail card ASAP'. they are the most dangerous of the lot. sort them out first then tackle the small fry like the others! otherwise this lot wont think twice before bankrupting all of us while eating their caviar and sipping their champagne in corfu while saying they are too big to fail and will need bail outs. they (the ones who defrauded the system by cooking the books) need anchors tied to their feet and be dropped into the shark infested seas. atleast they will be of some use then. their useless regulator and politician buddies who bailed them out should go down with them. then think of tackling the smaller fry.