"Summer of Rage"

1echidna

Grade_A_Reject wrote: »

Oh no, trust me, it's as intermittent as the disability only appears when he gets assessed. He also knows every insurance scam in the book. There are genuine claimants, and there are lots of clever ones. ......... ever wonder why the "where there's blame there's a claim" type ads are always shown on daytime TV?

Interesting that you appear to know him well and yet have such strong antipathy to his behaviour (perhaps he is a lovable rogue?). To my mind there is a spectrum of unfitness to work with a significant grey area population. I don't know on what evidence you pronounce that there are lots of 'clever ones' defrauding the taxpayer unless it is a quote from some totally unqualified think tank guru (I think I remember hearing some financier drafted in to lead a study). I am not at all sure how one would arrive at an a reasonably accurate estimate but it would certainly demand people with experience in medicine, social work and personnel management to lead quite a meticulous study.

Swans1912

My cousin claims benefits, as does his partner who he just had a child with. He claims he caanot get a job as he has dyslexia - since when did dyslexia stop people from working?! I work full time and my hard earned cash is being used (in terms of tax of course) to support HIS family aswell as many others! Makes me SO angry that people seem to think they have valid excuses for not working (of course I know lots of people claim for genuine reasons) but my cousin and his OH say they would be worse off financially if they worked.... Oh well that makes it ok then doesn't it?!?!

Grade_A_Reject

1echidna wrote: »

Interesting that you appear to know him well and yet have such strong antipathy to his behaviour (perhaps he is a lovable rogue?). To my mind there is a spectrum of unfitness to work with a significant grey area population. I don't know on what evidence you pronounce that there are lots of 'clever ones' defrauding the taxpayer unless it is a quote from some totally unqualified think tank guru (I think I remember hearing some financier drafted in to lead a study). I am not at all sure how one would arrive at an a reasonably accurate estimate but it would certainly demand people with experience in medicine, social work and personnel management to lead quite a meticulous study.

I know plenty of people who are milking the system.... there are "guides" available online that tell them exactly what to say at assessments. As for antipathy, I'd call it more apathy. If the system lets them get away with it then why should I care?

Grade_A_Reject

1echidna wrote: »

I don't know on what evidence you pronounce that there are lots of 'clever ones'

As I said I *know* plenty.

1echidna

Grade_A_Reject wrote: »

As I said I *know* plenty.

I am afraid I have to be a bit sceptical that you know detailed private personal and medical facts, enough to make the catagoric statement that you know plenty.

Grade_A_Reject

1echidna wrote: »

I am afraid I have to be a bit sceptical that you know detailed private personal and medical facts, enough to make the catagoric statement that you know plenty.

That's fine.....but I would have thought that someone who was unable to work because of a "neck injury" would have also been by default incapable of crawling under the floorboards of their house fitting a central heating system or laying paving slabs in the whole of their large garden. Then again you might know more about "bad knecks" than me.

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1echidna

Grade_A_Reject wrote: »

That's fine.....but I would have thought that someone who was unable to work because of a "neck injury" would have also been by default incapable of crawling under the floorboards of their house fitting a central heating system or laying paving slabs in the whole of their large garden. Then again you might know more about "bad knecks" than me.

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How do you know that the neck injury is his only problem, (he may have other problems, for example psychological ones, that he does not disclose)?

Grade_A_Reject

1echidna wrote: »

How do you know that the neck injury is his only problem, (he may have other problems, for example psychological ones, that he does not disclose)?

You obviously know the person I've known for 18 years better than me then.

Gorgeous_George

From the 80's

donaldtramp

Glasgow’s challenge
In Glasgow, more than one quarter (110,500) of the working age population is
economically inactive2. The ‘workless’ population has been defined as ‘working age
people who are economically inactive but who have indicated that they would like to
work if appropriate support was provided’. Nearly one fifth (18% or 62,000) of Glasgow’s working age population are claimants of the sickness-related benefit incapacity benefit.
Glasgow has a much larger number (and a higher proportion) of the population on IB than any other city in Britain. While unemployment has fallen by half since 1996 (from 32,000), the number claiming IB has remained at a high level.

OK so it's only 1 in 5 in Glasgow rather than one in 4. Woohoo! A cause for celebration ONLY 1 in 5 on incapacity rather than one in 4. But 1/4 of the population are economically inactive.
http://www.hwlresearchgroup.org/media/GCPH_FS_6_WEB.pdf
1 in 5 on incapacity??? Something is far wrong.

Alright, lets look at the Everton ward in Liverpool.
from;
http://wales.gov.uk/firstminister/research/economic/adhoc/incapacityclaimants/incapacityclaimants.pdf?lang=en

24.1 % Page 2.
How can this be possible? It is a sham. Someone is on the take.

As for all these stories I hear about (dyslexia and the likes) it drives me insane. At a place I used to work a guy turned up every day and did a full 40 hour week. He was crippled after having polio when he was younger. He could not walk one step. HE was truly "entitled" to use disabled bays. I have a funny feeling that the general public take a dim view of the "incapacitated" and their disabled priority spaces and shiny new disability cars.
I also know of a heroin addict who after injecting and collapsing veins in her leg, is now registered "disabled". Guess what she now has? Yup a "disability" car.
Sickening, absolutely sickening.