Public sector monster needs to be tamed

beingjdc

macaque wrote: »

A senior environmental manager in a manufacturing company earns £30-50k. Richmond Council are currently recruiting an environmental manager at £127K.

No they aren't. They're recruiting a Director of Environment. That's one level below the Chief Exec, and in complete charge of the Council's property, from offices to parks, rubbish collection and disposal, planning applications and building regulations, trading standards, roads and pavements, parking control and car parks, transport, and emergency planning.

Here's an actual environmental manager job in the public sector, and guess what, it's bang in the middle of your manufacturing company range. http://www.hefma.org.uk/job/energy-and-environmental-manager/100 - that tends to happen if you don't compare a barrister with a barista

macaque_2

beingjdc wrote: »

No they aren't. They're recruiting a Director of Environment. That's one level below the Chief Exec, and in complete charge of the Council's property, from offices to parks, rubbish collection and disposal, planning applications and building regulations, trading standards, roads and pavements, parking control and car parks, transport, and emergency planning.

Here's an actual environmental manager job in the public sector, and guess what, it's bang in the middle of your manufacturing company range. http://www.hefma.org.uk/job/energy-and-environmental-manager/100 - that tends to happen if you don't compare a barrister with a barista

A big title cannot hide the fact that this is a small job. The term 'Director' in the public sector describes an adminstrator working in a non competetive environment who delegates his/her work to private sector companies. A director in the public sector is equivalent to a middle manager in the private sector.

The example of the 'environmental manager' you tracked down is actually a janitor. The trend towards giving public sector jobs dramatic titles seemed to have coincided with the rocketing public sector salaries. It can only be a matter of time before classroom assistants are re-classified as 'deputy directors of classroom studies'

bigheadxx

beingjdc wrote: »

No they aren't. They're recruiting a Director of Environment. That's one level below the Chief Exec, and in complete charge of the Council's property, from offices to parks, rubbish collection and disposal, planning applications and building regulations, trading standards, roads and pavements, parking control and car parks, transport, and emergency planning.

Here's an actual environmental manager job in the public sector, and guess what, it's bang in the middle of your manufacturing company range. http://www.hefma.org.uk/job/energy-and-environmental-manager/100 - that tends to happen if you don't compare a barrister with a barista

Still doesnt warrant £127,000 p/a!!

A lot of Company Directors earn less than half that.

chewmylegoff

macaque wrote: »

A big title cannot hide the fact that this is a small job. The term 'Director' in the public sector describes an adminstrator working in a non competetive environment who delegates his/her work to private sector companies. A director in the public sector is equivalent to a middle manager in the private sector.

The example of the 'environmental manager' you tracked down is actually a janitor. The trend towards giving public sector jobs dramatic titles seemed to have coincided with the rocketing public sector salaries. It can only be a matter of time before classroom assistants are re-classified as 'deputy directors of classroom studies'

whilst i don't think that this job is quite as rudimentary as you have unilaterally decided, without knowing anything about it, job titles in the private sector are just as stupid, if not worse in some cases.

e.g. have a look at investment banking. an "executive director" turns out to be a payments clerk. ridiculous.

beingjdc

bigheadxx wrote: »

Still doesnt warrant £127,000 p/a!!

A lot of Company Directors earn less than half that.

And a lot earn twice that, it depends on a lot of things, including the size of the company. The London Borough of Richmond has a revenue turnover of £400m. That makes it about half as big again as Travelodge, mentioned earlier this week, whose Chief Exec earns £400k. I'd be surprised if his second in commands don't earn at least £127k.

beingjdc

macaque wrote: »

The example of the 'environmental manager' you tracked down is actually a janitor.

No, this is a janitor.
http://www.lgjobs.com/jobs/janitor-driver-c142/

treliac

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7931168.stm

It's amazing many of them work at all TBH. They'd probably be better off on benefits.

Turnbull2000

beingjdc wrote: »

And a lot earn twice that, it depends on a lot of things, including the size of the company. The London Borough of Richmond has a revenue turnover of £400m. That makes it about half as big again as Travelodge, mentioned earlier this week, whose Chief Exec earns £400k. I'd be surprised if his second in commands don't earn at least £127k.

Mega flaw in your argument beingjdc.

Does the Richmond Chief Exec have to manage profit margins, turnover and maintain competitiveness in order to ensure the survival of Richmond Council and it's employees, or is this income forcibly removed from taxpayers with the threat of jail and is essentially a cartel of local services?

donaldtramp

Workers at Scotland's biggest local authority, Glasgow City Council, will be paid a new minimum wage of £7 an hour, in a drive to tackle low pay.
Council leader Steven Purcell said the move would boost the wage packets of the lowest paid staff by more than £1,100 a year.
He issued a challenge to other employers to do the same.

An absolutely perfect example of the public sector overstepping the mark and throttling private enterprise. Why on earth are they paying MORE than private companies.+ pensions on top of this.
They have no right to "issue a challenge" with taxpayers money. How dare they!
The Socialist Republic of Glasgow is alive and well.
What chance does private enterprise have when it has to compete with Public sector largesse like this.
There is a minimum wage. If you don't enjoy working for it, improve yourself and your employability.

treliac

I don't begrudge anyone, working a full-time week and no doubt providing a service valued by the people of Glasgow, earning c. £14k a year.

Your outrage is very sad.