right labour rate?

art200380

£150 a day is equivalent of £37,500 a year gross - which I'm not disputing is the going rate - but I do think that's expensive.

I know one of the earlier quoters said what about petrol, car tax etc etc but every (say) office worker must pay for their petrol to work, their car, car tax, insurance.

I do think £37,500 is not a bad salary so stop complaining guys!

markie1980

art200380 wrote: »

I know one of the earlier quoters said what about petrol, car tax etc etc but every (say) office worker must pay for their petrol to work, their car, car tax, insurance.

I do think £37,500 is not a bad salary so stop complaining guys!

But it's not a salary - That’s the point!

I try to price my work so I earn £150 per day - on the days that I am actually doing work at a customer’s house.
That doesn't mean I’m getting paid for the days that I’m driving around doing quotes, driving to customers houses to talk through any questions or queries they may have, picking up materials, doing the accounts, doing invoices, talking to suppliers.

I know that everyone has to pay car tax, mot, insurance and fuel to get to work, but most people with a 'salary' would get a pretty healthy mileage allowance if they used there own car/van for an extra 10,000 miles per year for work related purposes.

Like I said, I try to price my work at £150 per day, but I can assure you I don't earn anywhere near £37,500 per year. I wish I did!

And I’m not complaining about it - it was my choice to go self employed. I made the choice so that I have the opportunity to work hard, do a good job and be successful.

If I worked out what I actually earn per hour that I am doing some sort of work towards my business, it would be below the minimum wage!

Sorry about the rant!
Mark.

Bishop_Basher

I'm a self-employed Joiner from the north east, and £150 a day is a very reasonable rate.

A lot of 'civilians' forget that, we have to pay for everything OURSELVES!

1. Advertising (Personally over £2000 a year)
2. Tools
3. Fuel
4. No Holiday pay (£2000 a year or more?)
5. Free estimates
6. Time spent working out quotes
7. Accountant fees
8. Public liability and other insurances
9. No sick pay

There are probably other things I've forgot, but you get the gist.
When you're employed, you do your bit get your wages, go home and forget about work.

When our 'working' day is over the evenings are spent pricing jobs and doing paperwork etc.

The funny thing is, the same people who whinge about paying £150 a day to a builder/joiner will quite happily pay over £500 a day in labour to have their kitchens fitted!

Barneysmom

You can't count holiday pay, we all have to have that out of our basic wage too.....

But yes you do have to include a lot of extras before you can buy a loaf of bread.

art200380

And don't forget if I am employed and earn £37,500 a year I have to pay the correct amount of PAYE and tax because its deducted at source....you have the opportunity to "manipulate"...and don't make out like it doesn't happen!

jason_s_2

Perks of the job my son, perks of the job.

sparky883

Don,t know what you mean!:rotfl:

sujman

jason_s wrote: »

Perks of the job my son, perks of the job.

... and there's opportunities to make money on the cost of materials as well...

McKneff

Barneysmom wrote: »

I see what you mean but you can't really count tax and N.I as we all pay that, and we all have to pay for transport too wherever we work.
All the above things have to come out of my £10 an hour, which leaves me a lot less than your average builder.

£10 an hour, gawd you should be on nearly double that. I cant see how you can make a living.

jason_s_2

What makes me laugh is when people say, how can you charge that per day, well................ Say you earn say £25k a year working for your boss, who owns and runs that company, how much do you think he's getting? alot more then you i can tell you, you going to tell him he earns to much? Here's another, you go to the denist, he tells you its going to cost you £400 for your treatment and its going to take 3 hrs, what you going to tell him "oh no you cant charge that that mean your earning X amount per hr" and another, a solicitor charges you £300 what you going to tell them? By all means go get a cheaper quote, and there are, but beware when they bite you in the asre. When i charge £250-£300 to skim a room and you tell me i charge to much, you get told to **** off. Who pays for the advertising,insurances,van,sign writing for the van,road tax,phone,tools,materials,diesel,tax,NI,organisations(FMB,checkatrade,etc)
free quoting,computer,elec. I DO.
So at the end of the day, i charge what i charge, because i can. So if you dont like it phone some other mug who will work for **** all.

Have a nice day.