Longer Commute - Lower House Prices

daveb975

Cleaver wrote: »

Well, I guess it depends on what you define as a 'good chance'. There are around 7.5 million people living in London so with your stats you have around a 1 in 175 chance of being mugged each year. I'd hazard a guess that at least half of the muggings are in dodgy areas or subjected to people putting wealth on display - you're in control of both of these factors, so stay a bit street safe and I'm sure the odds go much longer.

Sounds like you're a bit paranoid to me. Compare London to LA, Rio, Barcelona, Prague or many other cities and it is incredibly safe.

I would have thought the chances would be much lower than that for most social groups. The incidence of people over the age of 25 getting mugged or stabbed is absolutely tiny compared to those under that age. The only middle-aged person I have heard that got stabbed was the Peacocks worker this weekend, and it is the husband that is suspected of doing that so it is hardly a random attack.

Clearly, muggings of people with valuables on display are more likely to happen in busy areas and central London is as busy as they come. However, your are more likely to get mugged in most parts of Birmingham and Manchester than you would be in Richmond or Chislehurst.

daveb975

hullight wrote: »

My mate works in London a lot and he says he would move there because he likes using public transport to get to work and being able to go out and socialise straight after work. He sees is it as more flexible because you don't need a car, but I would start to feel trapped in the city.

I agree, but a lot of people don't seem to realise that you can live on the edge of London, still commute to the centre in less than 30 minutes, but have a car, garage, and garden just like anywhere else.

In most parts of outer London, you don't need a car, but it is still easy to have one. In the centre, owning a car would be madness except for the mega-rich.

daveb975

Cleaver wrote: »

I've said this before, but it's good that we're all different. I wouldn't even want to entertain the idea of not living in a big city centre: suburbs make me want to cry blood, the countryside is great for around 30 minutes but then I get a bit bored and the thought of living in a standard, British town fills me with dread.

But as I said, good job we're all different. Otherwise places would either be very crowded or entirely empty.

The most sensible post on the thread so far!

I enjoy living in outer London, but I would move further in if I could afford to live somewhere very central like Fitzrovia or Mayfair! The 'inner suburbs' like Clapham and Battersea offer the worst of both worlds to me, but I know a lot of people who love them.

Equally, I know people whose ideal home is one so remote that they have to drive to buy a paper on a Sunday morning!

confused31_2

Bottom line most city centres are sxit holes, and Londons the biggest sxit hole in England.

whether you like it or you dont that is my opinion, and im sure a lot of other people think the same.

confused31_2

socrates wrote: »

It will be her family explaining to the police - as it was her husband who stabbed her

And them are the kind of people you want to live around, if he dont mind stabbing his wife, im sure a stranger would be no different.

byb3

Glad I came across this thread, I'm looking at moving to Milton Keynes sooner or later and to commute into Euston Station. The quickest train does it in around 35 minutes, so I reckon it would be 1 hour each way if all the walking was included.

If you compare the prices between Central London and Milton Keynes then it is obvious that Milton Keynes is the clear winner. On the other hand, the annual season ticket is £3,800. Fortunately I get a subsidy towards that from my employer, otherwise it would be very difficult to accept such an obscene cost. The best part is that my place of work will be moving to Milton Keynes within the next two years (a few of you may have guessed who I work for ;p ). Although I would miss out on the London Weighting I would more than make up for this with no need for a travel ticket.

Just another note in the absurdity of season tickets. I currently commute from Warrington to Crewe. As of 1st December 2008 I was paying £956.20 (I got half of this subsidised) for a 6 month season ticket, there were 30 trains a day between Warrington and Crewe.

Fast forward to the timetable change on the 14th December 2008, and the service was slashed by 40% to only 18 trains per day. Then on 1st January 2009 they hiked up the season ticket to over £1,000! How on earth can they justify that?

olly300

confused31 wrote: »

it would be cheaper for me to use public transport, but i choose not to, ive worked in cities and i just dont like it, i hope you never become a statistic of crime, most people dont but it only takes that one time.

And you have also got the risk of terrorist attacks, whch have happend, you might be the lucky one, but you have more chance of becoming a victim of crime living and working in London, that reason alone i wouldnt entertain the idea.

Funny thing is that someone I know lived in large cities where there were bombings and has never been affected.

They then moved near Exeter but not in Exeter. They happened to be in Exeter city centre at the time of the bombings ..................

confused31 wrote: »

I know its a lot bigger,and there would be more crime, but when you get whats called the steamers on the tube, working there way from top to bottom on the tubes and buses robbing people, you can keep it.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3618618.stm

and dont say you have never seen its rife

I've never seen it.

And I'm not lying.

The only trouble I've seen or have been caught up in has involved white young men who are on drink or drugs. In all cases they were either:
1. going for money/property and had no interest in harming anyone around them.
2. only interested in hurting guys

confused31 wrote: »

And then you have got the gangs and the stabbings, it happens all over the country but yet again, it happens a lot more in london, who would want to send their kids to schools, where a lot the kids are in gangs and carry knives?

London becoming known has knife capital of the world!!!!!!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23484511-details/Revealed:+100+stabbings+in+London+this+year/article.do

There has been more gang violence in Glasgow.

The media takes things out of context.

In addition if you are not:
1. a young male
2. a secondary school child*
3. use basic commonsense which involves not walking down a alley way next to a railway track, or across a common on your own at dusk or night
Then you are not likely to be caught up in crime.

*School children tend to be mugged and beaten up by other school children.

olly300

confused31 wrote: »

People die through workplace injuries every day, but when you go to work and this happens its terrible.

You can keep London, I live in Birmingham and its not the greatest city, but at least we dont get people getting stabbed whilst they are trying to do their jobs.

10 hours ago
A woman was stabbed to death at the clothing store where she worked, police said.
The woman, in her 40s, was attacked at the rear of a branch of Peacocks in Mitcham, south London, at 1.20pm on Friday.
Scotland Yard said they know the woman's identity and are trying to trace her next of kin. An incident room has been opened under Det Ch Insp Mick Duthie and a post mortem was due to be carried out.

How do you explain to the womens family that she went to work and got stabbed whilst there trying to earn a living for thoer familys.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hr2hQEI5ff8vFO8okMmoQyHMaitQ

Mitcham is a !!!! hole.

It's a poor place with lots of typical council housing, where you will see young children playing on the streets at 10pm at night, there are active BNP members and the most expensive types of shops in the area are Peacocks. And it's only now got good transport links because you have to pass through it to get to better areas.

Oh and there have been lots of crimes in Mitcham that have been in the national media like the guy who got killed over a football.

You could if you were nice describe most of the people who live in the area as working class unfortunately there are too many people who live on benefits in the area creating an underclass.

Bf109

confused31 wrote: »

not really if there are over 43000 muggings a year in london, the odds of someone who works in london has got a good chance of becoming a victim of a mugging.

Some 45% of all robberies in London are on people between the ages of 10 and 19.

The actual chances of a 30ish year old proffesional who doesnt frequent the sink estates of south and east london becoming a robbery victim are actually very small indeed.

Bf109

confused31 wrote: »

And then you have got the gangs and the stabbings, it happens all over the country but yet again, it happens a lot more in london, who would want to send their kids to schools, where a lot the kids are in gangs and carry knives?

London becoming known has knife capital of the world!!!!!!

As mentioned above, Glasgow has a bigger problem with knife crime than London.

Most of the victims of knife and gun crime are also criminals and gangsters. The vast majority of serious violence in London occurs between two criminal entities.

If you arent in a gang, the chances of being stabbed in London are almost negligible.


The chances of actually being murdered by a stranger are almost non existant.