Hes not a dangerous dog !!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

sammy_kaye18

Hi All

Sorry but some people need to open their bleeding eyes!

I know we have all read the news over the weekend about the little boy who was killed by the family members pet dogs and whilst I appreciate it is a really sad event and im very sorry for the families loss of a sweet little baby but just because my dog happens to be the same breed as a dog that took place in the attack does not make him some sort of savage beast!

I had my dog with me today walking around our estate, which isn't a nice place it has to be said, he was on lead, under control and happily snuffling his way around the grass. Anyway he stopped to do his doggy business (which i should add is always picked up) and these two old bats who were stood in a garden near us started berating me for having a 'dangerous unmuzzled animal'.
One woman said I should have him muzzled because he's a terrier. Yes fine he is a male JRT, he is unneutered but he is in no way shape or form a dangerous animal but ive never been told this. To be honest too if i thought my dog was in any way aggressive/dangerous then of course i would muzzle him but to me if a dog is muzzled it makes them look like a dangerous dog and I dont want to give people that idea fo him when he is a lovely well natured friendly little lad.

He would sooner lick you to death than show aggression which in fact i think he's done once but a big German shepherd took him by surprise and there was no contact just a growl from both dogs (it suddenly shot out of a doorway a few feet ahead of us whilst walking to the post office and scared the poop out of both of us) . We get the odd growl and bark if someone's at the door but i've had him for 4 years and not once have i ever thought he was dangerous in the slightest. He's a very submissive dog - he will roll over straight away to anyone at their feet, cower if you get to close to him or if a voice is raised.

Ooooh some people just annoy me. I bet they don't even have pets. I remember my sister getting her throat scratched open by our tom cat Harley and that bled like a b@tch but did we muzzle the cat?? no.......

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Beebop

Well said!
It was a terribly sad event but again it comes down to the fact that I don't believe any right minded individual would leave a dog (or 2 etc) alone with a small child - hindsight is great but surely this is just common sense?
Your dog sounds lovely - the old bats probably read the Daily Mail (aargghh) and have nothing better to do with themselves all day!

welshlil

I was wondering if there could be any connection between dogs savaging some of the babies and dirty nappies. A Lot of dogs eat their own poo and obviously clear up after their puppies. Could they not be trying to clear up after a baby with a dirty nappy and then everything goes terribly wrong?

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending these dogs, but was just curious if anyone had thought along these lines.

My heart goes out to the families who have either lost, or had children scarred.

SnowyOwl_2

I haven't seen any statistics but I'd be very very interested to know how many children die due to human action compared to actions by dogs....methinks there wouldn't be very many people left out and about if the same punishment and/or injury avoidance approach was adopted.

As for the two dogs which attacked the infant - I wonder if it was a jealousy issue - suddenly this living breathing noisy being is in their home and (possibly) they are demoted by one position each in the "pack hierarchy". I suspect that bad behaviour demonstrated by dogs is down to their humans who have failed to understand the pack mentality and haven't trained their dogs properly. Though God help that poor child and his family, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

SammyKay - don't get mad! Those silly women are obviously clueless. If they phoned the police about your dog the police would wet their pants laughing.

nuckinfobhead

i have a 9 month old ridgeback/mastif cross and she's a HUGE 40kg baby. when im out walking her i dont very often use a lead as she really is that good, she is probably the woosiest dog i have ever known, i know she's only a pup still so may change. because of her size lots of people avoid her when we're out, she is full of energy and throws herself at anyone.. and yes it probably does scare some people. i do know though that she would never ever hurt anyone.

but, she is totally harmless. the most lethal thing she has in her is her long flappy tonuge.

most people see the 'vicious animal' not the individual personality of the dog.

assuming when theres no muzzle or lead they are in danger of being attacked, mauled.

it is very sad when animals go bad, usually theres a very good reason behind it. it takes such a long time for every other dog of that breed to lose the rep of a killer. its down to the individual animal imo and how they get treated as to how much of a risk they are. i am also not defending these dogs but i do strongly feel that a pet properly cared for and treated well and loved would no way want to intentionally hurt a member of their family.

dont take this the wrong way but dogs 'generally' dont attack and kill maliciously for nothing. yes it is sad but to just blame the dogs is so unfair, how many dogs have been destroyed because theyve bitten someone? the thing you dont hear is that the person, usually a child may spend a long time being horrid to the animal and, like any other lifeform. are they not allowed to defend themselves from being hit, smacked, kicked, dragged about etc....?

there only so much mistreatment a human will accept towards themselves, but being human they are able to get away from it, talk about it, get help etc..... if an animal is stuck in that situation what can they do about it other than 'enoughs enough' and fighting back. its to be expected really imo...

an animal is an animal, and like us, are all capable of killing. i havent read about the recent attack so cant comment on that but surely the owners are greatly responsible for the way they bring their pet up. like a parent is responsible for their child, teaching them right from wrong etc... i know i teach my children that if someone hits them bloody hit them back. if someone winds up my dog and does (very unlikely) get bit i would have to say......... well that serves you bloody right eh (however i would still disapline her for it)

if the teaching fails or isnt consistent, is that the animals fault? i personally dont think so.

an animal is just that, an animal. and if treated the wrong way a poodle is no less dangerous than say a rottweiler.

i think that in lots of these cases dogs are treated as part of the family and not as an animal.

bit of a blurb there sorry, ive stopped now

mymatebob

nuckinfobhead wrote: »

i have a 9 month old ridgeback/mastif cross and she's a HUGE 40kg baby. when im out walking her i dont very often use a lead as she really is that good, she is probably the woosiest dog i have ever known, i know she's only a pup still so may change. because of her size lots of people avoid her when we're out, she is full of energy and throws herself at anyone.. and yes it probably does scare some people. i do know though that she would never ever hurt anyone.

but, she is totally harmless. the most lethal thing she has in her is her long flappy tonuge.

most people see the 'vicious animal' not the individual personality of the dog.

assuming when theres no muzzle or lead they are in danger of being attacked, mauled.

it is very sad when animals go bad, usually theres a very good reason behind it. it takes such a long time for every other dog of that breed to lose the rep of a killer. its down to the individual animal imo and how they get treated as to how much of a risk they are. i am also not defending these dogs but i do strongly feel that a pet properly cared for and treated well and loved would no way want to intentionally hurt a member of their family.

dont take this the wrong way but dogs 'generally' dont attack and kill maliciously for nothing. yes it is sad but to just blame the dogs is so unfair, how many dogs have been destroyed because theyve bitten someone? the thing you dont hear is that the person, usually a child may spend a long time being horrid to the animal and, like any other lifeform. are they not allowed to defend themselves from being hit, smacked, kicked, dragged about etc....?

there only so much mistreatment a human will accept towards themselves, but being human they are able to get away from it, talk about it, get help etc..... if an animal is stuck in that situation what can they do about it other than 'enoughs enough' and fighting back. its to be expected really imo...

an animal is an animal, and like us, are all capable of killing. i havent read about the recent attack so cant comment on that but surely the owners are greatly responsible for the way they bring their pet up. like a parent is responsible for their child, teaching them right from wrong etc... i know i teach my children that if someone hits them bloody hit them back. if someone winds up my dog and does (very unlikely) get bit i would have to say......... well that serves you bloody right eh

if the teaching fails or isnt consistent, is that the animals fault? i personally dont think so.

an animal is just that, an animal. and if treated the wrong way a poodle is no less dangerous than say a rottweiler.

i think that in lots of these cases dogs are treated as part of the family and not as an animal.

bit of a blurb there sorry, ive stopped now

Why not try controlling your dog instead of allowing it to scare people?

Glen0000

nuckinfobhead wrote: »

i have a 9 month old ridgeback/mastif cross and she's a HUGE 40kg baby. when im out walking her i dont very often use a lead as she really is that good, she is probably the woosiest dog i have ever known, i know she's only a pup still so may change. because of her size lots of people avoid her when we're out, she is full of energy and throws herself at anyone.. and yes it probably does scare some people. i do know though that she would never ever hurt anyone.

but, she is totally harmless. the most lethal thing she has in her is her long flappy tonuge.

most people see the 'vicious animal' not the individual personality of the dog.

assuming when theres no muzzle or lead they are in danger of being attacked, mauled.

it is very sad when animals go bad, usually theres a very good reason behind it. it takes such a long time for every other dog of that breed to lose the rep of a killer. its down to the individual animal imo and how they get treated as to how much of a risk they are. i am also not defending these dogs but i do strongly feel that a pet properly cared for and treated well and loved would no way want to intentionally hurt a member of their family.

dont take this the wrong way but dogs 'generally' dont attack and kill maliciously for nothing. yes it is sad but to just blame the dogs is so unfair, how many dogs have been destroyed because theyve bitten someone? the thing you dont hear is that the person, usually a child may spend a long time being horrid to the animal and, like any other lifeform. are they not allowed to defend themselves from being hit, smacked, kicked, dragged about etc....?

there only so much mistreatment a human will accept towards themselves, but being human they are able to get away from it, talk about it, get help etc..... if an animal is stuck in that situation what can they do about it other than 'enoughs enough' and fighting back. its to be expected really imo...

an animal is an animal, and like us, are all capable of killing. i havent read about the recent attack so cant comment on that but surely the owners are greatly responsible for the way they bring their pet up. like a parent is responsible for their child, teaching them right from wrong etc... i know i teach my children that if someone hits them bloody hit them back. if someone winds up my dog and does (very unlikely) get bit i would have to say......... well that serves you bloody right eh (however i would still disapline her for it)

if the teaching fails or isnt consistent, is that the animals fault? i personally dont think so.

an animal is just that, an animal. and if treated the wrong way a poodle is no less dangerous than say a rottweiler.

i think that in lots of these cases dogs are treated as part of the family and not as an animal.

bit of a blurb there sorry, ive stopped now

Irresponsible. It is dog owners like you that gives the rest of us a bad name.

I don't care HOW horrid anyone is to a dog, it is just a dog and if it kills it should be put down.

UKTigerlily

I have to just say regarding the Ridgeback x Pup, you CANNOT let her throw herself at people, some are scared of Dogs BUT the dangerous dogs act covers dogs that are dangerously out of control in a public place, she doesn't have to harm anyone but if they *think* she will & are frightened, you could be facing a visit from the Dog Warden.

Also never neverrr never let Dogs off lead near to roads (Not sure if you said she is off near roads) even if you think they're fine. The Owners off all of these Dogs thought their Dog was fine, Dogs are Dogs they have instincts, it may one day see something interesting across the road & will be gone before you even realise.

It's similar to the Dogs biting, the Owners are complacent & think 'my Dog will never x,y or z' they can, they may well do. Lecture over lol sorry but i'd hate to read she'd been hit by a car or reported for being out of control & us large & 'dangerous' breed owners :rolleyes: MUST be even more vigilant & make sure our Dogs are in control at all times (I have a Stafford)

Otherwise some very good points!

UKTigerlily

Also, I hope she doesn't run up to on lead Dogs, as mine would take a chunk out of her but it'd be YOURS to blame as it's not on a lead under control & if it had been it wouldn't have been near mine who is always on lead when walked.

southernscouser

sammy_kaye18 wrote: »

he is in no way shape or form a dangerous animal

I'm not having a pop here but this sort of attitude gives all dog owners a bad name.

All dogs have the potential to be dangerous. You or me don't get to decided which are and which aren't.

I'm not trying to cause a row here as I'm a massive dog lover and my parents were probably the most blind to it as anyone but you have to understand that dogs can flip like any other animal, humans included, for no apparent reason.

I don't agree with what the old biddy's said but having caution with any dog, especially those you don't know is only a sensible thing.


Anyway enough of my sensible head, it's starting to hurt.

nuckinfobhead

i dont let her do it, when i shout wait she stops dead. my dog is under control.

dog owners like me giving you a bad name lol what a ridiculous thing to say.

my dog is well controlled, she walks absolutely fine off the lead, listens to commands instantly. obviously i dont let her jump all over people, its just what she wants to do, and yes i do always stop her, tell her no, clip her on the nose if ness.... she is never out of control merely full of fun. she is on a lead when im out with her and its busy, when its late and no cars etc, there is no need for a lead. she walks along quite happily next to me. she loves running around the fields up here, so no theres no way id put her on a lead cos some oik in the field says so, the majority that do get worried are dog owners themselves, but its ok for their sh1tty lapdog to be off the lead bloody yapping and snapping at everything and everyone tho isnt it.

but whatever.

if im irresponsible because my dog is good and obedient and does not require a lead then sorry GLEN but i would question your OWN training methods before criticising me, and i didnt say the dog shouldnt be destroyed did i? er no. maybe if YOU had the respect to care how mistreated some animals are in the first place your narrow mind would perhaps expand. you say you dont car HOW badly they are treated, yet consider yourself a doglover...... go figure...

learn to train you OWN dog PROPERLY eh.

dogs arent born with leads you know, so christ knows how they survived before they were invented........ would you like to be tied up and dragged up the road......... nah thought not.