HDMI cable - £5 vs £55 (discussion)

Paddy2eyes

I would like to see the results of tests carried out using properly calibrated measurement equipment, by a respected body such as ANSI or AES. Is is all very well claiming that Russ whathisname has carried out tests, but to be frank, he has much to gain from positive results.
In TV and recording studios, where the programme material is recorded in the first place, we do use dedicated mains supplies and power conditing to filter out spikes etc. and we have been known to spend as much as £2 per metre on speaker cable or 80p per metre on signal cable.
I heard a story (although I don't know for certain how true it is) that a very well respected designer of studio monitors was asked the best type of speaker cable to use. His recomendation was "as much copper as you can get in the ****ing connector" and strangely enough he didn't mention which direction to have your cable.

aliEnRIK

Russ has gone to lengths to counteract the original ASA ban put upon him
If you feel hes talking sh*te, then contact them by all means

Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

Also ~ apologies again Marty

Just gets my back up when people question the sheer volume of tests ive done ~ which most pretty much conclude the same (Not all mind). If they didnt truly make any discernable difference then id say so

(the tv didnt NEED anything by the way. My tv works fine, but it works BETTER using a conditioner and braided cable)

No problem Rik! Things can get a bit heated at times, but just remember we're all friends here. :beer:

Paddy2eyes wrote: »

I would like to see the results of tests carried out using properly calibrated measurement equipment, by a respected body such as ANSI or AES. Is is all very well claiming that Russ whathisname has carried out tests, but to be frank, he has much to gain from positive results.
In TV and recording studios, where the programme material is recorded in the first place, we do use dedicated mains supplies and power conditing to filter out spikes etc. and we have been known to spend as much as £2 per metre on speaker cable or 80p per metre on signal cable.
I heard a story (although I don't know for certain how true it is) that a very well respected designer of studio monitors was asked the best type of speaker cable to use. His recomendation was "as much copper as you can get in the ****ing connector" and strangely enough he didn't mention which direction to have your cable.

That's the thing that gets me. People spend $10,000 on speaker cables, claiming they make everything sound better, yet the musicians who recorded the album they're listening to used mic cables that cost $5 a foot.

aliEnRIK

TorrestheGreat wrote: »

Russ Andrews isnt a scientist. He isnt even an academic.
Certain people on this forum put so much faith in his findings that you may be forgiven for thinking that he is.
The time for obfuscation is surely gone- either Andrews submits proper studies to scientific scrutiny of he forever tries in vain to evade the ASA.
Its interesting- and telling- that scientists (and engineers who adopt the scientific method) laugh at Russ Andrews; yet non-scientists (who have never rigorously tried to seek out evidence that destroys their point of view) always think he has proven what he says he has!
Its ironic in the extreme

If you believe his findings are falsified, then by all means tell the ASA who will HAVE to look into his claimed readings

Let me know how that goes :rolleyes:

Then come back and explain to me how in all MY OWN PERSONAL tests, ive had the same results he has (Albiet, just with my own ears and eyes which is so CLEAR to tell a difference it cannot POSSIBLY be any type of placebo effect)

then.......jump off a cliff or something

And lets look at what you put there. Russ isnt a scientist no, he simply loves his 'hifi' like me and many others.
As people say, which is ENTIRELY true ~ electrical equipment either works, or it doesnt
Im not going to argue with that at all. But where hifi enthusiasts come into, we attempt to sqeeze EVERY last bit of quality we can out of equipment.
So if say somone has a computer, it just works. Adding a fancy lead will do nothing noticeable (Unless it had an extremely bad power supply to start with), it wont make bulbs seemingly brighter, it wont make the garden fountain spurt higher. Thats all dumb a** comments from people who dont have a clue what they are on about and fall into the 'earth MUST be flat' group

Well im sorry, im with Darwin and the earth is ROUND group
Ill do MY own experiments and let people know. If theyre so blindsighted that they believe im talking sh*te then thats upto them. But ive already convinced quite a few people I personally know.
Even I was shocked initially to find a mains cable could make any difference so I completely understand why people are sceptic as I was too.
MOST people dont even have good enough equipment to warrant buying cables. In fact theyll probably make them sound worse in some cases (Though if people knew just what their Flatscreen TVs were capable of just by adding a 60 quid '16 core MACHINE BRAIDED' cable theyd rush out and buy one (Long as its a decent model, your not going to sqeeze anything out of a bag o sh*te tesco cheapie, or indeed the cheapie sony and samsungs)

If you think IM talking sh*te, then by all means question me and I can put forth one of MANY experiments ive done to attempt to answer your queery (Unlike most of the people who THINK im talking BS who havnt even TRIED IT FOR THEMSELVES )

thescouselander

As an Engineer I believe that if there is benefit to using these expensive cables then it would be measurable and it should be possible to come up with hard results that can withstand scrutiny.

All it would take for the ASA to reverse the ban is some hard proof that stands up to peer review. Since it seems that Russ Andrews cannot provide these results, to me it says his claims must be bogus.

As I said earlier, when we tested for any benefit in using expensive mains leads we could not find anything. These tests were conducted by a team of highly qualified engineers - if they couldn't identify any benefit I'm not surprised Russ Andrews is having a hard time proving his case.

aliEnRIK

he HAS provided the results!

I have them in my catalogue

Sput2001

aliEnRIK wrote: »

he HAS provided the results!

I have them in my catalogue

...and I've got a sales catalogue which claims that attaching their £50 magnet onto your petrol pipe will boost your car's fuel efficiency by 20%!

aliEnRIK

Its 'measured' Nick. Hes explained the tests hes done, and the resultant answers

Ive done similar tests which result in the same answer

Clearly you just dont believe it so what do you want me to say?

Are you too calling me a fu**wit or a liar?

Sput2001

Clearly you just dont believe it so what do you want me to say?

Are you too calling me a fu**wit or a liar?

I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but I'd be reluctant to take anything like that in a sales catalogue at face value - especially one published by someone who's already had his butt kicked for making misleading claims.

espresso

NickMidgley wrote: »

I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but I'd be reluctant to take anything like that in a sales catalogue at face value - especially one published by someone who's already had his butt kicked for making misleading claims.

ASA adjudication here

the ad breached CAP Code clauses 3.1 (Substantiation), 7.1 (Truthfulness) and 19.1 (Comparisons).

Action
We told Russ Andrews not use the claims again unless they could substantiate them with robust scientific evidence.