Public-private wage divide gets 50% wider

MissMoneypenny

When I first started work in London in 1972, age 18, working for a bank, I was earning much more than a friend who was 20 and had just started work as a teacher in London. I was even earning more than my mother who was working in a London ministry as an HEO.

Not sure what a HEO earns now, but I do know that a new teacher in London would now earn a lot more than an 18 year old just starting work for a bank. Public sector salaries have had a huge increase.

Back in the 70s, public sector large pensions (for every £2 they put in, the tax payer puts in £1) was justified, to make up for their low earnings. Now they have been given huge pay increases, the large pension should be removed.

MissMoneypenny

baby_boomer wrote: »

Based on this thread, Sir Humphrey seems to have a 2 hour lunch hour in which he is allowed to post to websites without fear of disciplinary action.

Is that normal civil service / government employee practice? Or just a senior civil servant perk? Or maybe the civil service just hasn't got round to proper supervision of its employees?

My mother is still quite active in within the civil service pensioners. They always say that under Labour, they have less to do and more staff are employed. When the Tories get in, staff are cut and they have to work harder.

They were saying that a lot of public workers who have joined in the last decade, are going to get a shock when Labour go.

Sir_Humphrey

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

When I first started work in London in 1972, age 18, working for a bank, I was earning much more than a friend who was 20 and had just started work as a teacher in London. I was even earning more than my mother who was working in a London ministry as an HEO.

Not sure what a HEO earns now, but I do know that a new teacher in London would now earn a lot more than an 18 year old just starting work for a bank. Public sector salaries have had a huge increase.

Back in the 70s, public sector large pensions (for every £2 they put in, the tax payer puts in £1) was justified, to make up for their low earnings. Now they have been given huge pay increases, the large pension should be removed.

Most London HEOs earn about £25-31k. EOs (normal graduate starting grade) in London earn about 19-26k depending on Department. Deduct 3-4k for those outside London. An EO is equivalent to a Navy Lieutenant or Army Captain in seniority.

Sir_Humphrey

Dooooooooooooooonut wrote: »

But surely it would be regulated under common law as a tort if a company causes damages to someone through negligent usage of the above?

That said, I would probably support regulation of some kind against extreme recklessness but I don't know enough about the current regulation to comment on how good it is

Surely it is better to prevent accidents than sue afterwards. It is certainly cheaper. A lot of the substances I mention are dangerous even without reckless handling.

baby_boomer

It would be even cheaper if you did a full day's work rather than pontificating on MSE.

I'm still naive enough to think that the Civil Service is properly run and wouldn't allow your postings in taxpayers' time - and that you are just a figment of your own imagination.

Sir_Humphrey

baby_boomer wrote: »

It would be even cheaper if you did a full day's work rather than pontificating on MSE.

I'm still naive enough to think that the Civil Service is properly run and wouldn't allow your postings in taxpayers' time - and that you are just a figment of your own imagination.

I suppose you are unemployed then?

purch

An EO is equivalent to a Navy Lieutenant or Army Captain in seniority.

But without the FREE Uniform

MissMoneypenny

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

Most London HEOs earn about £25-31k.

A starting wage for a teacher in London is £25k. A starting wage for a bank clerk in London is about £15k.

Yet back in 1972, a new bank clerk on a starting grade, earned more than an HEO and teacher.

You can see why the large civil service pension was justified back then, but it certainly isn't now.

baby_boomer

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

I suppose you are unemployed then?

Unlike you I never take the mickey by posting on my employer's time - partly out of respect, partly because I know they'd sack me and have the systems in place to do so.

For you that should read employers' since there are 35 million of us taxpayers. Unfortunately for us, your employers' systems seem to be inadequate .

Sir_Humphrey

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

A starting wage for a teacher in London is £25k. A starting wage for a bank clerk in London is about £15k.

Yet back in 1972, a new bank clerk on a starting grade, earned more than an HEO and teacher.

You can see why the large civil service pension was justified back then, but it certainly isn't now.

A bank clerk would be equivalent to an AO or AA (the latter are rare now due to minimum wage issues). An EO is equivalent to a small branch bank manager. EO = Bank Manager = Captain Mainwaring