Bio D washing up liquid

geordieracer82

Personally I have always found Bio-D bad at washing dishes, especially in hard water.

Ecover works much better, despite being tested on water fleas. Plus its surfactant breaks down much quicker than Bio-Ds so its less harmful to aquatic life.

Jenna_Appleseed

I've had totally the opposite experience of using BioD and Ecover washing up liquid. Ecover used to work well until they changed the recipe, the second time I got the bottle refilled it was a different scent and didn't clean as welll & the original type was no longer available. Also I wasn't that keen on them because of some of the dodgieness re the company not being that ethical in other areas - like the links to Group 4

Didn't know about Bio D including SLS in their ingredients, Imho it's naughty of them not to list that on the bottle as some websites (and shops possibly) that claim to be sls-free goods only stock it (prob unknowingly). Managed to find the link for anyone else who's interested http://www.biodegradable.biz/products.html .

They're still the top choice of WUL on the Ethical Consumer's chart (scorecard bit last updated last October) - a lot higher than ecover. http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/FreeBuyersGuides/householdconsumables/washingupliquid.aspx

soba

KarenRB wrote: »

The main Bio-D site has pdf's of all product ingredients and the one left out of all other ingredient descriptions is:
Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulphate

Could someone please post a link to the pdf mentioned above? I've looked on the Bio-D website and can't find it. Thanks.

geordie_joe

soba wrote: »

Could someone please post a link to the pdf mentioned above? I've looked on the Bio-D website and can't find it. Thanks.

I can't find it either, and so far the only proof it uses Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulphate is someone saying that it is the one ingredient it uses which is not listed in the list of ingredients.

And when I tried to find the site that quote came from, by pasting large sections of it into google, I came to a site that has the entire text that KarenRB quoted in her post.

This site also claims that toothpaste causes AIDS.

I can't believe it, for twelve years I've been putting the condoms on the wrong thing :mad:

I have yet to see any real proof it uses, or doesn't use Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulphate.

LeifGR

KarenRB wrote: »

The main Bio-D site has pdf's of all product ingredients and the one left out of all other ingredient descriptions is:

Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulphate

[...]

Sodium lauryl sulfate is used throughout the world for clinical testing as a primary skin irritant.

Please note that SLS (Sodium Lauryl Sulphate) is not the same thing as SLES (Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulphate, or Sodium Laureth Sulphate). The one mentioned in the COSHH Safety Data Sheet (http://www.biodegradable.biz/cosh/wup_cosh.pdf) is SLES.

Praana

Hiya, got a really good size bottle which was fab! lasted well, felt good that i was buying ethically. I bought mine online as it was on sale.

Praana

geordie_joe wrote: »

I think you are over reacting here, and the victim of over stating web sites.

Yes, this CAN cause skin irritation, if you apply it in a high enough concentration. but in normal cleaning products it does not cause skin irritation.

Think about it, it's in many products including your washing up liquid and bubble bath, but how many times have you suffered skin irritation after washing the dishes?

You are mistaking the word "can" for "will". Most things on this earth will harm you if you get enough of them, but you don't usually get enough, so they don't harm you.

Never believe a web site that tells you something "can" or "may" harm you, unless it states how much of it will harm you. Take medicines, to little won't do you any good, just the right amount can save your life, but too much can just as easily kill you.

This a really debatable issue and could go on forever, but surely the issue is that all the chemicals mixed together make a cocktail of who knows what. i think it matters to people who have senstive skin and do get irritated by it. each to their own!

Ben84

Praana wrote: »

This a really debatable issue and could go on forever, but surely the issue is that all the chemicals mixed together make a cocktail of who knows what. i think it matters to people who have senstive skin and do get irritated by it. each to their own!

I don't believe it's possible to make an effective washing up liquid that has no potential to cause skin irritation. It's designed to remove oils from surfaces, it's essential to its purpose, and so will also remove oils from your skin which can make it dry and itchy. Unfortunately a washing up liquid that doesn't de-grease isn't much use for washing up, so natural or not, it all dries my skin out. I have gloves for washing up which solved the problem.

As for reacting together and chemical cocktails, household cleaning products shouldn't be mixed together, because some do react, but the personal care products you use in the bath/shower should be fine. They're very compatible, often variants of the same ingredients, PH buffered to about the same PH, often detergents and various stable ingredients like colours and perfumes. I'd expect that I could mix just about everything designed for personal use in your bathroom and find no new compounds formed.

ethelhead

another thumbs up here for BioD
having elected to avoid buying ecover products i first tried ClearSpring's WUP, but much prefer BioD. You need very little, it bubbles up well, & it also helps that i can get refills from the organic supermarket nar my house

competitionscafe

Ecoleaf one is also good.