Anyone else think that IE8 is crap

FreheitOverture

Just use Opera instead. Its supposed to be the most standards compliant browser around!

On a serious note, I use IE Tab in Firefox to make sure I have developed sites properly (On a Mac you see). Don't forget, IE has only just passed an Acid Test(?) with IE8

johncolescarr

firefox is far superior for 99.99% of typical users

[Deleted User]

johncolescarr wrote: »

firefox is far superior for 99.99% of typical users

Does that mean only 0.01% of users should be using it

Marty_J

PROLIANT wrote: »

Well in reply minus the "sarcasm", no Microsoft do not send me a xmas card and as for cross-platform support well I work with both Microsoft and Linux operating systems on a daily basis and Microsoft is the chosen tool to do the job - it does the job very well, before I moved in to IT Management when I was an Engineer I had a guy at work who chewed my ear everyday about how good Linux is and how crap Microsoft was,
so one day I removed his XP Professional workstation and replaced it with an Ubuntu machine, he lasted abut 6 hours before he came back complaining that he could not do his job because of this and that, my reply was "be careful what you wish for".

I did swap back his XP Machine as his line manager was twisting his face that the guy was not doing any work for best part of the day. Lesson learned.
Why people hate Microsoft so much I just cant understand, I have get great results from both systems - a good hybrid that works well together.
However until the open source martyrs get their finger out and start coding in a way that is truly cross-platform and stop banging on about their "perfect" equilibrium, we will still have these issues to deal with.

I don't hate Microsoft; I have an XBox 360 that I like a lot, they make good enterprise software and their office stuff is OK too. I think their operating systems are pretty mediocre, but that seems to be good enough for most people that they never investigate the alternatives.

As for the internet, I think it should be an open place, accessible to all. But Microsoft have always done their best to turn it into a place that you have to use their products with. I know web coders who have had to intentionally write websites with buggy code so that they will work with IE, the most dominant browser. Microsoft only got away with including it with Windows as they claimed it was an integral part of the operating system. One can only wonder what browser people would choose if they didn't just use the one that came on their computer, and how much further we'd be without Microsoft holding the internet back.

PROLIANT

Well, having worked in software development and still have my fingers in many C# pies, I can say that deliberately "friging" code to work on a particular platform is not very clever now is it?

You may have to introduce a little indirection to solve a particular computing problem however this is far from writing buggy code, personally I have never had to frig an application for it to function under its host operating system, the problem we have is Linux type software like PHP which does not blend well with Microsoft.NET technologies, so a Web Developer coding in PHP will have to "frig" his/her code to cope with the target system.

One day the two technologies with work well together, so as much of a fan as I am of Microsoft technologies, I have a keen interest in the open source world - not interested in the "them and us" mind set, the same goes for MAC users.

Marty_J

Do you think IE having poor standards support is intentional on the part of Microsoft or an unfortunate accident?

PROLIANT

Marty_J wrote: »

Do you think IE having poor standards support is intentional on the part of Microsoft or an unfortunate accident?

Most defiantly intentional, the goal to enforce uniformity globally, a standard and if these third-party developers worked to standards instead of trying to be different because they have issues with Microsoft then we would most certainly be there by now.

Marty_J

PROLIANT wrote: »

Most defiantly intentional, the goal to enforce uniformity globally, a standard and if these third-party developers worked to standards instead of trying to be different because they have issues with Microsoft then we would most certainly be there by now.

You don't think having one company enforcing its standards is a bad thing?

Should everyone who uses the internet have to use IE?

I can see why monopolisation would be a good thing if you were a share holder, but not an end user.

PROLIANT

Marty_J wrote: »

You don't think having one company enforcing its standards is a bad thing?

Should everyone who uses the internet have to use IE?

I can see why monopolisation would be a good thing if you were a share holder, but not an end user.

What I mean by standards is that like most standards in technology around the world any similar product would plug in or interface to another in a seamless fashion, take this analogy;
the belling-lee RF connector that you plug in to the back of your TV from the antenna co-axial down lead will plug in to any TV, the IEC "Kettle lead" will fit any appliance with the 3 pin IEC socket fitted, so why should software products not follow the lead of a standard from a IT Pioneer such as Microsoft?
It is not a monopoly as IE is free, you do not have to pay to download and use it, it also plays a core role in the Microsoft operating system - many applications will not work with certain IE interops un-available i.e. Office, .NET applications etc, yes have Firefox but it should not interfere with the normal operation of a sub-set of systems within its host.

Java applications will not function without Sun Microsystems Java Run-Time framework; does that mean Sun have a monopoly?

jaydeeuk1

Excellent posts there Proliant, esp the 'be careful what you wish for' part.