Anyone else think that IE8 is crap

DatabaseError

anewhope wrote: »

Don't use beta release software if you're not ready for problems. Simple.

I'm using W7 x64 as my primary OS...ah...

(I have backups of everything on another drive and/or dvd...probably going to remove the vista partition later today)

robredz

If you are using the beta you should expect bugs and submit a report to Microsoft so that they can try to resolve it. A beta release is not suitable as a primary os . why not try Ubuntu, apart from Xfi soundcards (like Vista) it works great

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robredz wrote: »

why not try Ubuntu, apart from Xfi soundcards (like Vista) it works great

Wouldn't that defeat the point in being involved in the beta testing program for 7?

I've got 7 installed on a couple of machines at work, it's running well and besides the error reports I've already submitted (which you wouldn't encounter in normal day to day use) it's looking like it's going to finally kill off XP.

Jake'sGran

Had a look the other day as I am having problems with IE and found that I have version 6. If I click the icon on the desktop I get something called EXPLORER.COM
so I am sticking with Firefox which is excellent. A finance company told me I had to use IE to view my details on their site but it does not work. Must be something weird going on somewhere.

Marty_J

PROLIANT wrote: »

Could you explain how Internet Explorer is Crap? Used it for years without problems.

Awful standards support?

Poor javascript performance?

Sluggish load times?

Full of security holes?

Take your pick really.

PROLIANT

Marty_J wrote: »

Awful standards support?

Erm, no. Like to see Firefox run IIS technologies without flopping on it's @rse. Fail

Marty_J wrote: »

Poor javascript performance?

Java script is a run-time component instantiated within the script - talk to Sun Microsystems.

Marty_J wrote: »

Sluggish load times?

Such as life

Marty_J wrote: »

Full of security holes?

Explain, can you enumerate recent exploits that have caused problems, because I certainly have not encountered any.

Marty_J wrote: »

Take your pick really.

Not many left to pick from, look at the end of the day it boils down to what you use in your browser, Firefox is ok for something that cost's nowt, Internet Explorer has had problems in the past and will continue to develop bug's which is why Microsoft have the cream of software Engineers working on the project, Firefox falls on it's @rse when it encounters allot of Microsoft technologies for example Active-X components and server-side pages.

DatabaseError

Marty_J wrote: »

Awful standards support?

Poor javascript performance?

Sluggish load times?

Full of security holes?

Take your pick really.

Yeah...but apart from all that?

Marty_J

PROLIANT wrote: »

Erm, no. Like to see Firefox run IIS technologies without flopping on it's @rse. Fail

http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support

I said standards support, not "things created by Microsoft" support.

Firefox can "without flopping on its @rse" ayway.

Java script is a run-time component instantiated within the script - talk to Sun Microsystems.

Other browsers can run it a lot faster than IE.

Explain, can you enumerate recent exploits that have caused problems, because I certainly have not encountered any.

You want me to list all the previous security problems with IE?

Not many left to pick from, look at the end of the day it boils down to what you use in your browser, Firefox is ok for something that cost's nowt, Internet Explorer has had problems in the past and will continue to develop bug's which is why Microsoft have the cream of software Engineers working on the project, Firefox falls on it's @rse when it encounters allot of Microsoft technologies for example Active-X components and server-side pages.

Well for starters, if they had the "cream of software engineers" working on it, one would expect it to be a lot better.

Secondly, Microsoft trying to have the internet their way is the reason IE has such poor standards support in the first place. I believe the internet should be available to everyone, and there are those of us who choose not to use a Microsoft operating system for various reasons. Having sites which only work properly in IE is an epic fail. The idea that you have to use a certain browser is pretty abhorrent.

Still, I'm sure Microsoft send you a Christmas card every year for your unwavering support.

DatabaseError wrote: »

Yeah...but apart from all that?

Apart from all that, it's great!

DatabaseError

I must admint to using IEtab in ffox for those especially badly written sites..

PROLIANT

Well in reply minus the "sarcasm", no Microsoft do not send me a xmas card and as for cross-platform support well I work with both Microsoft and Linux operating systems on a daily basis and Microsoft is the chosen tool to do the job - it does the job very well, before I moved in to IT Management when I was an Engineer I had a guy at work who chewed my ear everyday about how good Linux is and how crap Microsoft was,
so one day I removed his XP Professional workstation and replaced it with an Ubuntu machine, he lasted abut 6 hours before he came back complaining that he could not do his job because of this and that, my reply was "be careful what you wish for".

I did swap back his XP Machine as his line manager was twisting his face that the guy was not doing any work for best part of the day. Lesson learned.
Why people hate Microsoft so much I just cant understand, I have get great results from both systems - a good hybrid that works well together.
However until the open source martyrs get their finger out and start coding in a way that is truly cross-platform and stop banging on about their "perfect" equilibrium, we will still have these issues to deal with.