Why Labour is the Can Do Nothing Party

leveller2911

lostinrates wrote: »

They get large salaries, I agree. I also think that when done with commitment and adaquately its a job which deserves adaquate remuneration. I have many 'issues' with some of the perks and would not really be prepared to point out good and bad examples of that strange creature the politician, but I have hope that most of them strive to be.

One of the problms in such discussion, as I see it, is that we all have a different vision of the ideal politician. I prefer that the person has at last previous exprience of industry outside politics, but do not consider it essential. There is strong argument that maintaining this industry connection in office gives people insight not just into how things worked but how they continuing to be influenced by changes in policy. I don't think anyone can expect them to be saints or devoid of hypocracy, not before we have erradicated in ourselves anyway:D . I certainly but regretfully remain a hypocrit , so I don't feel I can expect all that much more of my representative in government:o

To "Not be able to expect all that much more from your MP" I think Is wrong, its like we have given in to them, I dont have all the answers, not educated enough, but I do know "right from wrong", if we all have that attitude then we may as well never vote again.

We should "EXPECT" them to lead by example, they are there to "serve" the nation, that is the right way to govern.Communism could never have worked beacause of human greed "more, more,more".

If they are found "wanting" in there duties then they should go, but they dont , they blame everyone else and try almost everything to cling on to the gravy train....I have a wife and 2 children and I honestly fear we are info a possible "end of days" scenario..;)

SGE1

leveller2911 wrote: »

All you have done is tried to "spin" my obsevations.

Why does my view suggest that from where im standing Britain is a "crappy dump" PLEASE EXPLAIN..

How do I assume that everyone agrees with my views???
From my postings where do I say that "Labour are the sole of all our woes"..

If you bother to read it I have NO ties to ANY political party, I think that by there nature they are corrupt, they cant agree on the colour of sh1te, they spend all there time (similar to you) in "spinning" each others policies and views.
Why do WE as a nation keep voting in people who are there to "promote" themselves, They nearly always get far bigger pay rises than us, they have protected pensions, most promote the NHS but use private, tell us to drive greener cars and yet most drive 4x4,s or Gas guzzlers,I could go on ,but wont....

I still find it amazing we vote them in..... they feed us peanuts whilst get rich.....That is why I believe an MP should only serve 1 term(dont get a pension ,cant have directorships etc,they cant get too "comfy" in the job.Then its time for another person to have a go..They are there to serve US ... They forget that..

I respect your views , dont agree with them though.

True, you didn't say that is so many words, but it was inferred. Your point was that you found it difficult to understand people who would still choose to vote Labour - so implying that to you, it's really very obvious what an awful Government we've had over the last decade, and you can't understand why anyone would feel differently. I'm just trying to illustrate how someone might feel differently. Nothing to do with spin.

Some MPs are hypocrites, no doubt - but the kind of blanket statement you make is way too simplistic. MPs earn about 60k ish a year. Yes, some have other jobs on the side (and if you check the register of interests, you can find out who - remember when Cameron tried to restrict his shadow cabinet from having additional jobs; his cabinet threatened to resign), but a lot of them don't. A lot work quite hard (6 days a week, to fit in both Westminster and local constituency work), and to be honest, £60k is peanuts compared to what some of might might have earned if they'd gone into the private sector. So in a nutshell, while there are always a minority who abuse their position, I think that most MPs are decent hardworking people, and the idea that they enjoy an easy life is a myth.

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

What world do you live in, SGE1? The affects of this recession (which may yet go into a depression), will be long-lasting. People are losing jobs through the Country, the 'credit crunch' is affecting everyone in one way or another. It's not the short-scheme of things if you are losing your job at 40 or 50 or 60. I'm shocked at your insensitivity - 'Marie Antoinette' comes to mind for blindness to reality.

Do you live in a cosy, comfortable world, SGE1? If so, is that because you are in the civil service/local government/ some other branch of politics or the unions? It would be interesting to know a bit more about your world, as it certainly isn't fitting mine.

As it happens, I believe that we need to change this Government, it's time for them to go, but I'm not a Conservative by inclination.

Jen
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I'm not being insensitive, I'm just trying to put things into perspective. Yes, being made redundant isn't good - but at least we have a Government that is willing to help. In the grand scheme of things, employment is still high. Yes, people can afford less and are having to cut back, but let's keep a clear head: nobody is being blown up by bombs across the country, and people are not starving to death and dying in the streets. Frankly, if people are p*ssed off, I commiserate - but I find it really irritating how some people paint this as the end of the world as we know it, as if they're experiencing such a great amount of suffering that they've lost all ability to be rational about it. And no, I don't work in the public sector - though I'm sure the pretty picture you paint isn't accurate.

lostinrates wrote: »

IIRC SGE1 is a fairly young civil service worker and has admirable commitmnt to her idealism and political beliefs, if perhaps a little less developed in the areas of charm and persuation. My apologies if this is incorrect. Its prhaps the brusquness and tlling us why we are all so wicked for not sharing the political beliefs of Labour that make me most uncomfortable. I'm a persuadable voter, albeit with political ideals (I feel inadaquately represented by all parties ATM) but the 'stare you down' attitude of this government is to me utterly wrong.

Kind of accurate (minus the civil service bit. And the charm bit. I am utterly charming, just maybe not cyber-charming :A). And how am I brusque?? A lot of people on here vomit views like they're gospel. At least I try to explain why I think what I think...

leveller2911

You say most earn the basic £60,000 per annum, you fail to mention the expenses and protected pensions.If we are "employing them to carry out the duties of being our representatives at parliament how can you justify the directorship posts etc. If they work so hard for us why is it you rarely get the chance to talk to them and where do they find the time for the "other jobs" if they work such long hours?.

Its NOT just about the money its the hypocricy..

They are there to "lead by example "

Your quite right, people are not dying in the streets, but when was the last time you can remember pensioners on £400 per month income were spending £150 per month of gas/electric.We as a nation are NO longer in charge of our own destiny with energy.We are taxed to the hilt,crime (despite) what government figure say IS on the increase , most of it is not even reported now because people have lost faith in the Police.We have generations of "work shy want it now" , when you have a single mum, with 5 children by 3 different fathers growing up who,s role model is "mums latest boyfriend" what chance have those children got?.

Have we as a nation become wealthier?????? In money terms yes.............Morally and ethically..NO and that will be a major problem in the future...My views are my own and Not GOSPEL .(nearly every war in history was caused by religion,im NOT going there..)

Rochdale_Pioneers

Don't forget that half of the Shadow Cabinet - the ones trying to insist they not Labour understand our pain - rebelled against the idea that they should give up their 2nd and 3rd jobs. Apparently they just can't survive on £65k a year plus virtually the same again in expenses, travel and other perks.

Dylanwing

I thought salaries were set by 'market value' - Well there never seems to be any shortage of candidates willing to do the job, so technically, the market rate should be set lower. As for the shadow cabinet and Cameron, they are so useless that Flash might get in again. I don't suppose the Lib Dems will do anything sensible like make Cable leader - It might just work, as public opinion is so low of the others, and Cable talks more sense than all the other MP's combined.