Why Labour is the Can Do Nothing Party

Jennifer_Jane

SGE1 wrote: »

Not everyone lives in the same world as you do. Your terms suggest that from when you're standing, Britain is a crappy dump, one where everything is now consistently worse than it was 11 years ago. Hypothetically, let's imagine that's the case. Even then, you assume that everyone agrees with you that Labour are the sole cause of all these woes.

So that's two big IFs. As far as I'm concerned, the improvements over the last 11 years far outweigh the negative impacts of this Government: I don't recognise your depiction of the UK. I could never bring myself to say, in all seriousness, "look what's happened to this country" - as if this short bout of economic problems (which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't a big deal) is the worst that could possibly have befallen a nation (you know, forget genocides, world wars etc).

And then, where there has been deterioration, I don't think the Government has is necessarily to blame - sometimes, but not always.

You can convince yourself that all the people who would still vote for the incumbents are stupid - but then you'd be calling an awful lot of people stupid. Or you could just accept that maybe the way you see things isn't the universally acknowledged truth.

What world do you live in, SGE1? The affects of this recession (which may yet go into a depression), will be long-lasting. People are losing jobs through the Country, the 'credit crunch' is affecting everyone in one way or another. It's not the short-scheme of things if you are losing your job at 40 or 50 or 60. I'm shocked at your insensitivity - 'Marie Antoinette' comes to mind for blindness to reality.

Do you live in a cosy, comfortable world, SGE1? If so, is that because you are in the civil service/local government/ some other branch of politics or the unions? It would be interesting to know a bit more about your world, as it certainly isn't fitting mine.

As it happens, I believe that we need to change this Government, it's time for them to go, but I'm not a Conservative by inclination.

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mewbie_2

Guys... whatever. The answer will come at the ballot box, when GB finally has the bottle to call it.

lostinrates

IIRC SGE1 is a fairly young civil service worker and has admirable commitmnt to her idealism and political beliefs, if perhaps a little less developed in the areas of charm and persuation. My apologies if this is incorrect. Its prhaps the brusquness and tlling us why we are all so wicked for not sharing the political beliefs of Labour that make me most uncomfortable. I'm a persuadable voter, albeit with political ideals (I feel inadaquately represented by all parties ATM) but the 'stare you down' attitude of this government is to me utterly wrong.

Rochdale_Pioneers

The Express do talk some rubbish. "Britain has always been a home-owning nation?" Really? So why was the right to buy such a massive thing when created in the 80s?

The title says it all. The "can do nothing party?" They wish - a nice deep recession and mass unemployment is just what Express-reading types like to keep the proles in their place.

leveller2911

mewbie wrote: »

Guys... whatever. The answer will come at the ballot box, when GB finally has the bottle to call it.

But It won't Mewbie , because its the system thats wrong,its a neverending spiral and unfortunately its downwards.We need to change the system and as "turkeys never vote for Christmas" it will only change through civil unrest.Im NOT saying its the right way, but when people lose there jobs, homes etc that is when civil unrest can occur.

I have worked for MP's (2) and I have had long discussion with them on various subjects and to be quite honest they dont give a fcuk about the general public.

lostinrates

leveller2911 wrote: »

I have worked for MP's (2) and I have had long discussion with them on various subjects and to be quite honest they dont give a fcuk about the general public.

How dreadful. My less intimate experience of talking to MPs is different, I do believe the majority of those who I have met, Labour and Tory, do think they are acting in the best motivations.

leveller2911

lostinrates wrote: »

How dreadful. My less intimate experience of talking to MPs is different, I do believe the majority of those who I have met, Labour and Tory, do think they are acting in the best motivations.

So why do they vote themselves large pay rises, huge allowances,promote more enviromentally friendly cars for us whilst driving Jaguar 4.2 ltr cars,top of the range land rover discovery cars,have a pension that most of the country can only dream of and they still have directorships of private companies etc, say how we need the NHS and then go private themselves.

Im sorry that is NOT in the best motivation...

When Ive been paid for work It always arrives in "house of commons note paper and envelopes which is free postage.........!!!!!! they cant even be honest enough and buy a bloody STAMP..........:rotfl:

Dylanwing

The trouble is that neither party will own up to their massive mistakes, and seem to cling to the hope that a burst bubble can somehow be re-inflated. The Tories wasted our oil and gas revenues and sold off our utilities making us reliant upon overseas Companies for power and water. Both parties loved PFI, off balance-sheet accounting, de-regulation, and allowing the wealthy to do what they liked. Labour have just shown the financial prudence normally asociated with Kerry Katona, joined pointless and unwinnable wars, and sold us out to the EU (A stunningly un-democratic form of Government).
Neither will admit that the bubble has burst, that the un-regulated Capitalism model has failed, that paying mega salaries still meant you get monkeys, and that new, radical thinking is needed.... And I see none of that from Clown or Scameron.

lostinrates

leveller2911 wrote: »

So why do they vote themselves large pay rises, huge allowances,promote more enviromentally friendly cars for us whilst driving Jaguar 4.2 ltr cars,top of the range land rover discovery cars,have a pension that most of the country can only dream of and they still have directorships of private companies etc, say how we need the NHS and then go private themselves.

Im sorry that is NOT in the best motivation...

When Ive been paid for work It always arrives in "house of commons note paper and envelopes which is free postage.........!!!!!! they cant even be honest enough and buy a bloody STAMP..........

They get large salaries, I agree. I also think that when done with commitment and adaquately its a job which deserves adaquate remuneration. I have many 'issues' with some of the perks and would not really be prepared to point out good and bad examples of that strange creature the politician, but I have hope that most of them strive to be.

One of the problms in such discussion, as I see it, is that we all have a different vision of the ideal politician. I prefer that the person has at last previous exprience of industry outside politics, but do not consider it essential. There is strong argument that maintaining this industry connection in office gives people insight not just into how things worked but how they continuing to be influenced by changes in policy. I don't think anyone can expect them to be saints or devoid of hypocracy, not before we have erradicated in ourselves anyway:D . I certainly but regretfully remain hypocritical:o , so I don't feel I can expect all that much more of my representative in government:o

dad-of-4

i think the mp's & government are self serving and nothing more, their is no accountability if they don't live up to their claims except once in 4 years, were told we need it, told we want it, and before we know it we have an ever increasing number of rules & laws, while freedoms & civil rights go down the pan.

civil unrest is exactly what we need, but i can promise Brown now, I'm not getting out of bed for it, because to be quite frank, the majority of people in this country are just are not worth fighting for.

ever since the poll tax riots, brixton, toxteth, strangeways riots, the succesive governments have set about dismantling society, so we would never be able to stand together and actualy fight for what is right, if we would have ever felt the need.

its an absolute sham of a society that we have become.

as i read recently on another forum.

Its shameful that this is Great Britain today, we practical ruled the whole world with a few wooden boats, crewed by people who went out on the pi55 and woke up at sea.

the joke is surely on us, the target on our backs was put their by our selves & each other.