Poll: Who Will You Be Voting For In The Next General Election?

neverdespairgirl

punkstoner wrote: »

'Other' for me. Begins with B, 3 letters.

Bit of a crime to mention them on the forum it turns the mods RED, and angry

A crime? No. It's legal to be a member of the BNP, or support their views, or vote for them. That is your democratic right. To say you do the above is your right to free speech.

To say that supporting the BNP makes you fascist scum is me exercising my right to freedom of speech.

fitpig

Mozette wrote: »

I think you'll find that people who are seen as 'different' are discriminated against by an awful lot of people, and the various anti discrimination Acts just try to remove the disadvantage of the 'difference'. And if you feel your nose to be a bit out of joint because the playing field has levelled slightly, then try and imagine a world where you are hated for being white and straight and male; I would doubt that you can imagine the damage that actual prejudice does.

I'm no lover of the labour party, but they have attempted to reduce discrimination, and I applaud them for that. God knows they've beggared up most things!

I'm all for equal opportunites, but when this government offer jobs to people simply because they are 'different' I think that is wrong! Besides being patronising to those that are 'different' , not to mention insulting (one local council seeking employees said that non-white people would be given allowances if their qualifications did not meet their requirements!!!) it's unfair to others who DO have the qualifications to do the job - but are discriminated against for not being 'different'!

This government has been in power for almost 12 years now. And they may just as well have ran a horse and cart through all the progress and achievements this country had made in the last 100 years. We are almost as badly off now as we were in the Great Depression.

Labour has had 12 years in which to make our country great and prosperous! But all they have down is drag us all down!!!!

They need ousting!!

sircharles

Labour is finished. End of.

tr3mor

StevieJ wrote: »

No she decided that only the strongest would survive, every other country were providing support, she was fodder for the free trade morons Now we have little manufacturing industry.

It was ruined in the 70s thanks to lazy unionised labour. Thatcher killed it off because it was a waste of time and space.

If British Leyland were still around today, would you buy one of their cars over a well made Japanese or German one?

Fred1_2

tr3mor wrote: »

It was ruined in the 70s thanks to lazy unionised labour. Thatcher killed it off because it was a waste of time and space.

If British Leyland were still around today, would you buy one of their cars over a well made Japanese or German one?

So we don't have a manufacturing industry anymore. We don't have vast mineral resourses. We;re not an breadbasket of anywhere. We've just lost our financial services industry. How is the UK going to make any money?

storminbalder

I want to know where all these Nazi biggotted scum are in real life. How come I never meet them? Do they really exist in these numbers?

Or is it just a sad lonely individual under multiple user names out to try and discredit this site? I certainly cannot believe that this is a true reflection of wider society as I know it.

I did laugh when their membership list got published though. I think they hate each other more than even I do!:rotfl:

nickmason

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

A crime? No. It's legal to be a member of the BNP, or support their views, or vote for them. That is your democratic right. To say you do the above is your right to free speech.

To say that supporting the BNP makes you fascist scum is me exercising my right to freedom of speech.

Agree entirely NDG

Interesting to see Ahmadinejad (another Holocaust denier) given the "alternative Christmas message slot"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7799094.stm

I'm not convinced of the absolute wisdom of this (there is a huge difference between recognising the individual's right to free speech and giving a platform to someone with abhorrent views), but it does have hints of Gandhi's non-violence; giving free speech to those that are withholding it from others, to point out the absurdity of their position.

nickmason

storminbalder wrote: »

I want to know where all these Nazi biggotted scum are in real life. How come I never meet them? Do they really exist in these numbers?

Or is it just a sad lonely individual under multiple user names out to try and discredit this site? I certainly cannot believe that this is a true reflection of wider society as I know it.

Yes they do exist. And, in certain areas, in numbers. Ignore them at your peril. The message is attractive to some (okay a minority, but a sizeable one), and will become more so as things get tougher.

I'll no doubt be struck down by a thunderbolt for saying this, but much of their appeal is similar to that of religious groups - the existence of an ideology is more "seductive" than the realism of administrative politics. Extremism of all hues is very, very unpleasant.

PS - also remember that to them they aren't "Nazi bigotted scum" - they're "patriots" or some such other. As long as moderates fail to engage in terms that the extremist recruits recognise, then they become more lost to rational debate.

Cat695

nickmason wrote: »

Yes they do exist. And, in certain areas, in numbers. Ignore them at your peril. The message is attractive to some (okay a minority, but a sizeable one), and will become more so as things get tougher.

I'll no doubt be struck down by a thunderbolt for saying this, but much of their appeal is similar to that of religious groups - the existence of an ideology is more "seductive" than the realism of administrative politics. Extremism of all hues is very, very unpleasant.

only religious extremism has 13 yro children carry bombs and blow themselfs up....yet its still allowed to be practiced and preached in the street. And is still supported by millions.

nickmason

I agree that there is an odd situation where religion gives a shroud of acceptibility to what are otherwise terrorist activities; or rather it makes it more difficult to see what it is for what it is. To be honest, non-religious extremist groups can and do apply the same approach, using patriotism, communism or similar; Red Army Faction (Baader-Meinhof), Che Guevara and his gang, and so on.

The only added nasty of the religious bit is not only does it get "extra" freedom of speech, but often promises some rather phenomenal payback!

sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand..."