Clown will sell anything to anybody!

mr.broderick

beaujolais-nouveau wrote: »

When I heard that, I felt that it is now more likely that, in due course, Russia will invade and occupy the UK in order to prevent the US deploying Blighty as a nuclear missile launching pad (with or without having occupied us first). And we won't be able to do a thing about it because (a) the Govt has run down our military so badly over the past 12 years, and (b) we as a country are going to be very very poor for the next 20 years - we don't manufacture much to export, and we currently import one-third of our food (that can't continue), and it will be a long time before the UK has repaid its national borrowings (thanks, Gordon).

The UK only narrowly escaped being turned into another Macau by Tony Blair's American casino millionaires. We are going to be another Zimbabwe, instead.

Trust me even 12 years ago we couldn't have stopped them.

Cat695

beaujolais-nouveau wrote: »

When I heard that, I felt that it is now more likely that, in due course, Russia will invade and occupy the UK in order to prevent the US deploying Blighty as a nuclear missile launching pad (with or without having occupied us first). And we won't be able to do a thing about it because (a) the Govt has run down our military so badly over the past 12 years, and (b) we as a country are going to be very very poor for the next 20 years - we don't manufacture much to export, and we currently import one-third of our food (that can't continue), and it will be a long time before the UK has repaid its national borrowings (thanks, Gordon).

The UK only narrowly escaped being turned into another Macau by Tony Blair's American casino millionaires. We are going to be another Zimbabwe, instead.

I wasn't going to reply to this because I hope your actually joking...but...Russia is certainly NOT the HUGE Army is once was, and do you really think NATO never mind America would let the Russians anywhere near the UK??

I think you've read to many Tom Clancy books

mr.broderick

Cat695 wrote: »

I wasn't going to reply to this because I hope your actually joking...but...Russia is certainly NOT the HUGE Army is once was, and do you really think NATO never mind America would let the Russians anywhere near the UK??

I think you've read to many Tom Clancy books

If Russia would have wanted to head west n.a.t.o would not have been able to stop them without using tactical nuclear weapons.

Cat695

mr.broderick wrote: »

If Russia would have wanted to head west n.a.t.o would not have been able to stop them without using tactical nuclear weapons.

Not today which is what he was on about....Russia its not the mighty state it use to be.

mr.broderick

Cat695 wrote: »

Not today which is what he was on about....Russia its not the mighty state it use to be.

Think it comes down to the number of tanks you have, generali will be along in a sec with his battlefield assessment.

Cat695

mr.broderick wrote: »

Think it comes down to the number of tanks you have, generali will be along in a sec with his battlefield assessment.

You can have all the tanks in the world but you still need the logistics to move them....(and the crews) Look what happened to Germany in WW2(best tanks, best planes, excellent trained men) it just couldn't sustain the logistics needed to fight on so many fronts. If Hitler hadn't had been so greedy you and I would be goose stepping to work now. Which isn't a bad thing as Germany make the best sausage in the world IMHO;)


I agree Britian alone would have its !!! kicked...but we're not alone

mr.broderick

Cat695 wrote: »

You can have all the tanks in the world but you still need the logistics to move them....(and the crews) Look what happened to Germany in WW2(best tanks, best planes, excellent trained men) it just couldn't sustain the logistics needed to fight on so many fronts. If Hitler hadn't had been so greedy you and I would be goose stepping to work now. Which isn't a bad thing as Germany make the best sausage in the world IMHO;)


I agree Britian alone would have its !!! kicked...but we're not alone

Soon to be.

codger

Russia's Government isn't the brightest sandwich in the picnic hamper (witness its amazement when the Moscow market collapsed in the wake of Russia's invasion of Georgian territory) but it knows that where the West is concerned, wars are won and lost not by guns full of ammo but purses full of money.

Communism couldn't sustain itself because it was bankrupt.

(For all I know, capitalism won't be able to sustain itself, either, but that's beside the point.)

If Russia ever wished to embark on the first stage of making the United Kingdom its vassal state -- rather than the UK being the USA's vassal state, as it has for so long been -- then it would simply use the power of its own purse against the near-emptiness of the UK wallet.

It would look, for instance, at the UK's inability to heat and light itself.

And it would try to buy, say, Centrica / British Gas.

Then it could turn the lights on and off, and the heating on and off, whenever it so chose.

Oh, ah, wait a minute. . .



That's what it tried to do 18 months ago, much to the horror of Mr Brown.

Currently Russia's in no position to buy much of anything.

But with its massive oil and mineral reserves, and an economy which moved out of the Soviet dependency on a huge State service sector in which new bureaucratic jobs blossomed every five minutes of the day -- as is the case with the present stage of Sovietization in this tiny island with no massive of reserves of anything -- who's to say it won't try again.

In perpetuating Trident, Brown and Za-Nu Labour are on their usual collective ego-trip of perpetuating the myth that Britain is still some kind of major world player and so must have a world-class deterrent consistent with that self-perceived status.

The fact that a million Tridents won't do a damn thing to stop a single terrorist is overlooked because it's inconvenient to the maintenance of Brown's delusions.

And to the delusions of that young man the Conservative Party made Leader.

And ditto whoever is this week running the Liberal Democrats.

Thus the politicians still cling to their dream of importance and influence. And thus we still pick up the tax bill.

Vive Revolution.

evilwitch

Voyager2002 wrote: »

Just for the record: Trident is a US system, and Aldermaston (which is a research facility) has provided minimal inputs to it. As a matter of fact, Trident cannot be fired without codes that the USA has to supply at the point of launch.

Its more than a research facility and Aldermaston provides far more than a minimal input into a trident warhead. The MOD still own all of Aldermaston (and other related sites) and also own the company that manage AWE; AWE ML is the operating company which was made up of SERCO, Lockhead Martin and BNFL. BNFL sold their share to Jacobs. This company has a 25yr contract to operate the day to day running of AWE but the government retains final control over the site and can take back control and revert it to MOD operation at any time it so wishes.

There are restrictions on certain information which the non-UK employees (ie American bosses etc) do not have sight of.

ruggedtoast

Arent Russians traditionally some of the worst trained soldiers in the world anyway? And that was then, its hard to see how far they'd get in their broken down tanks and 1970s bombers.

If they manage to go a second round with Finland I might start worrying. Otherwise I'll just keep passing round the tinfoil helmets.