I want to by a new TV and want some advice

aliEnRIK

You wouldnt HEAR noise Ane'. It will just make whatever you play not quite as detailed as it should be as the 'noise' will degrade the quality.
I have personally been to a place and auditioned cd players ranging from 3 k to 10 k
They ALL sounded clearly different

Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

You wouldnt HEAR noise Ane'. It will just make whatever you play not quite as detailed as it should be as the 'noise' will degrade the quality.
I have personally been to a place and auditioned cd players ranging from 3 k to 10 k
They ALL sounded clearly different

I'm sure you've seen interference on Freeview before. This is what it looks like when the error correction fails. It doesn't just look a bit worse; it doesn't look like anything at all. The type of error correction that CDs use is the same NASA use because it can reconstruct the original signal exactly.

Now, you could argue that using an error correction circuit introduces noise just because it's another component the signal has to go through, but the noise floor of a typical amplifier is way higher than that of a CD player anyway, so I don't really see how it would make much difference.

Modern recordings are so loud anyway (too loud in many cases) that noise isn't really an issue.

aliEnRIK

Marty_J wrote: »

I'm sure you've seen interference on Freeview before. This is what it looks like when the error correction fails. It doesn't just look a bit worse; it doesn't look like anything at all. The type of error correction that CDs use is the same NASA use because it can reconstruct the original signal exactly.

Now, you could argue that using an error correction circuit introduces noise just because it's another component the signal has to go through, but the noise floor of a typical amplifier is way higher than that of a CD player anyway, so I don't really see how it would make much difference.

Modern recordings are so loud anyway (too loud in many cases) that noise isn't really an issue.

Then why would the cd manufacturers take the 'noise' into account?

Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

Then why would the cd manufacturers take the 'noise' into account?

Well if we're being charitable, it's because they want to make the best product they can make. Whether it makes any difference to the end user is a different story. Why do they continue producing CDs that can have a dynamic range of over 90dB when most music nowadays has a dynamic range of less than 10dB?

And if we're not being charitable, it's so they can claim their product is better than another because it has better specs. You know manufacturers do that from your experience with TVs.

aliEnRIK

Marty_J wrote: »

Well if we're being charitable, it's because they want to make the best product they can make. Whether it makes any difference to the end user is a different story. Why do they continue producing CDs that can have a dynamic range of over 90dB when most music nowadays has a dynamic range of less than 10dB?

And if we're not being charitable, it's so they can claim their product is better than another because it has better specs. You know manufacturers do that from your experience with TVs.

Cmon Marty. We're both WELL aware of all the BS.
But tvs are different to hifis in that tvs are mass produced and everyone has at least one. So they CAN use BS to sell them to those not in the know.
On the other hand, a cd player that costs more than 200 quid is into the realms of 'hifi'. The average hifi user listens with his ears and checks for reviews, specs dont even come into it.

aliEnRIK

Well
SOME hifi enthusiasts would use their ears
Othes are blinded by what they 'believe'. For example, cables dont make ANY difference etc
Rather than actually try them out for a while, they just have this deadstruck belief that they DONT make a difference (Without TRULY knowing why).
Crazy, but there you go

Marty_J

Well, that's a reasonable approach as it goes, but I am just about old enough to remember the craze of colouring your CDs in with a green marker pen to make them sound better. I think there is a certain tendency for people interested in hifi to blur the lines between reality and fantasy.

To be honest, I really don't have a problem with that, even though I think it's total crap. If the cost of a green marker pen makes someone enjoy their music more, then it's probably worth it, even if it is imaginary. I'm just not in a rush to follow them.

aliEnRIK

Marty_J wrote: »

Well, that's a reasonable approach as it goes, but I am just about old enough to remember the craze of colouring your CDs in with a green marker pen to make them sound better. I think there is a certain tendency for people interested in hifi to blur the lines between reality and fantasy.

To be honest, I really don't have a problem with that, even though I think it's total crap. If the cost of a green marker pen makes someone enjoy their music more, then it's probably worth it, even if it is imaginary. I'm just not in a rush to follow them.

cant say as ive ever tried that one (I remember a BLACK marker though, not a green one)
But again, ive never tried it, and therefore im NOT dismissing it entirely.

Lets say you have the ULTIMATE hifi
It cost 60 million
Its sat on a slab of marble 2 miles deep
whatever
that green marker might just 'ever so slightly' allow a little more detail be dredged up using the cd player that cost more than a typhoon jet fighter

Marty_J

lol...that's one way to look at it I guess.

I do admire your openness to new ideas; I'm afraid I'm just something of a naysayer.

I'm the guy in the horror movie who confidently asserts that there's no such thing as werewolves seconds before being torn apart.

aliEnRIK

To be completely honest Marty. I was EXACTLY the same (well, except the werewolves part, they DO exist dontcha know )

My dad was after buying his first proper hifi system (and boy, WAS it a proper one in the end!), and one of the shop guys said to get the best out of it, he'd need to buy some top quality mains cables.

I cried BS and told him to stay away from there (Which I now completely regret, but it IS how I felt at the time). So anyways.........
I had an arcam A85+ amp for about 3 years and happened across an article on mains cables. The way it described the difference intrigued me. I couldnt for the life of me understand HOW a mains cable could make a difference. It either works, or it doesnt surely?
I perused ebay and chanced an Isotek Elite mains cable
Bought it (REALLY wasnt sure at the time, but I thought f**k it ). Fitted it to my amp and played some Opeth which id just been listening to with the freebie cable attached
I swear, my jaw dropped. The bass drum crashing through the mix was unlike ANYTHING id heard through my system before. The change WAS instantanious.

Ive never looked back since.............