I want to by a new TV and want some advice

Leopard

It's indeed a money-saving forum and aliEnRIK has posted in other threads here a considerable number of extremely helpful links to excellent sources of reliable information on this subject.

Money-squandering is what an extremely stupid neighbour of mine does by buying a lot of expensive television gear but refusing to accept that the reason he gets a rotten picture on it is because he needs to upgrade the cheap £10 aerial, pointed in vaguely the right direction on his chimney stack by the bricklayer who built it.

For eighteen years this neighbour has had a lousy picture from kit on which he has spent thousands of pounds purely because he refuses to spend £100 on a proper aerial.

bob_a_builder

It's indeed a money-saving forum and aliEnRIK has posted in other threads here a considerable number of extremely helpful links to excellent sources of reliable information on this subject.

Yes, I've followed them in the past but they have not proved anything yet (as far as I'm aware), but I've not heard/seen anything about this new proof. Hence request for a supporting link

£100 for new ariel versus thousands of pounds of kit, seems like a reasonable investment as you say.

but hundreds of pounds for a mains lead for a £500 TV less so given that no one in this thread has complained of a lousy picture

aliEnRIK

bob_a_builder wrote: »

Go on then, its a quite day here, I'll bite ...


This years only 5 days old, he's been a bit busy then, since there was no proof before...


There is until you provide a link to a reliable source

remember this is a Money Saving forum, you are into the law of diminishing returns with these cable, conditioners etc

He was told to remove certain comments from his catalogue as he couldnt (at the time) prove they were true even though he had all the blind test results to show they did. They wanted MEASURED proof. Fair play, dont we all were possible.
He has now PROVEN that mains bourne RFI does indeed add distortion to amps and that 'his' braided cables lessen mains bourne RFI. it took quite a while as proving such a thing has been VERY costly and time consuming. He had the cable proof months ago, he just needed proof that RFI does indeed effect equipment.
Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less........

As a side note, ive tried out various cables and conditioners myself and know 'through my OWN experience' that they do infact make a difference (sometimes small, sometimes pretty damned impressive)

aliEnRIK

bob_a_builder wrote: »

Yes, I've followed them in the past but they have not proved anything yet (as far as I'm aware), but I've not heard/seen anything about this new proof. Hence request for a supporting link

£100 for new ariel versus thousands of pounds of kit, seems like a reasonable investment as you say.

but hundreds of pounds for a mains lead for a £500 TV less so given that no one in this thread has complained of a lousy picture

Just so we're clear. Im in NO way saying their cables are worth what they charge (though it can be relative in the right system)
Ive had custom made cables for 50 quid which perform close to 1500 quid ones.

My Pioneer tv cost me 1200 quid new. Their plasmas are considered the VERY best tvs in the world (Shame theyve since changed to LCD )
Ive bought and tried a 16 core braided cable which made quite an improvement to an already impressive tv. Ive since gone and bought an Isotek Miras (Conditioner specifically for tvs) and a Sigmas (Full on hifi conditioner)
My tv is at times astounding ~ FAR beyond what it was before I upgraded the cabling.

Berty

I had a small audio company in the early 90's and even then many manufacturers of high end amps would work around electrical interference and the hi-fi world has always had some strange and wonderful ideas based around cables and how signals are carried and degraded.
Most of these wonderful solve it all mains conditioners are not needed but theres a market where they will sell.
I've a panasonic 58 inch plasma and its fine for me. I only watch a few bluray films on it and not much tv. I looked at the big pioneers and the extra money to me was not worth it as the deal I got was just so good on the pan I had to go for it.
As for cables well lets just say that I had on display at the international hi-fi show held back then at the Ramada hotel in london over £60000 of hi-fi gear plus my speaker setup and I used a speaker cable that cost £4 a metre and was 4 core, no conditioners for mains either and the sound was wonderful even if the acoustics of the rooms were poor to say the least.

I would just go and have a look at tv's and buy what you are happy with taking into account the warranty package.

Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

IF youd posted that last year then you'd be right
HOWEVER

I believe we did have this discussion last year.

Russ Andrews (VERY well known hifi guru) has since PROVEN that removing RFI (Mains interference) from hifi amps DOES reduce its THD (Total Harmonic Distortion)
Hes ALSO 'proven' that his braided mains cables reduce RFI and EMI (Mains and airbourne emmisions)
Ergo, theres IS no longer a cable debate

Not quite.

Even assuming what he has "discovered" is true, what he needs to prove is that it makes any difference to the resulting signal. I don't know about you, but I listen to music with my ears, not test equipment.

I could prove to you that a 320 kbps mp3 is closer to the original waveform than a 256 kbps one; however, proving that anyone can reliably tell the difference between the two is quite another matter.

Given that these kind of debates have been raging for years, you'd think if they were true, someone, somewhere would have been able to show this to be so. The fact they haven't says it all to me.

Exceptional claims require exceptional proof.

He was told to remove certain comments from his catalogue as he couldnt (at the time) prove they were true even though he had all the blind test results to show they did. They wanted MEASURED proof. Fair play, dont we all were possible.

What you say is curious, as he sells "directional cables", and as far as I'm aware, the current down a cable does not change depending on what way you send it down it. The electrons can't see the little arrows he draws on them and then charges extra for.

So he appears to have no problems selling things without any scientific proof to validate his claims. It makes it even more suspect when he'll measure some things but not others. clearly he's aware of some kind of scientific process; why not apply it to all his products?

Leopard

I don't know about those £500 televisions but I'll be sure to tell you all (when I finally get them) the result of connecting some highly rated and respected HDMI leads to my new Sony HDL-52W4000 television (for which I paid £1,115 on eBay two weeks ago) in place of the £10 Tesco leads it is temporarily making do with!

I'm certainly grateful to alEnRIK for posting his own personal experience of what works and what is a waste of money.

In the meantime, and in view of the fact this thread is entitled, "I want to by (sic) a new TV and want some advice," can I ask it to embrace the question of how best to dispose of the vast and prodigiously heavy 36" Sony CRT television that is now sitting forlornly and abandoned at the far end of our lounge, stripped of all its former leads and accessories?

It took three large men an hour to get it out of the delivery van and installed in its present location eight years ago - and it hasn't moved a millimetre since. There's no chance of getting it up the stairs, so £2,300 of 2001 money now looks destined for a landfill site after a brief sojourn outdoors at the local council tip.

But how the hell does one get these things out of the house and down to the tip??

All suggestions will be gratefully received and considered!

thescouselander

Leopard wrote: »

I don't know about those £500 televisions but I'll be sure to tell you all (when I finally get them) the result of connecting some highly rated and respected HDMI leads to my new Sony HDL-52W4000 television (for which I paid £1,115 on eBay two weeks ago) in place of the £10 Tesco leads it is temporarily making do with!

I'm certainly grateful to alEnRIK for posting his own personal experience of what works and what is a waste of money.

In the meantime, and in view of the fact this thread is entitled, "I want to by (sic) a new TV and want some advice," can I ask it to embrace the question of how best to dispose of the vast and prodigiously heavy 36" Sony CRT television that is now sitting forlornly and abandoned at the far end of our lounge, stripped of all its former leads and accessories?

It took three large men an hour to get it out of the delivery van and installed in its present location eight years ago - and it hasn't moved a millimetre since. There's no chance of getting it up the stairs, so £2,300 of 2001 money now looks destined for a landfill site after a brief sojourn outdoors at the local council tip.

But how the hell does one get these things out of the house and down to the tip??

All suggestions will be gratefully received and considered!

Just put it in the paper for £50, I'm sure someone will take it off your hands. Worked for me anyway. If that doesn't work, try advertising it as free to collector.

Berty

There was a warning about cheap copy cat HDMI leads that use sub standard material on the market. Since these are different to say your mains and I think it was the metal used within the copy cat cables it does make a difference.
You might have to find one of those handy chaps no job to small that advertise locally and arrange it with them or get some friends to help you but don't try by yourself.
You could ebay it if it works saying buyer to collect then you would get something for it.
You could also donate it perhaps to a local care home and they might be able to arrange collection or to a charity.

BillScarab

Leopard wrote: »

I don't know about those £500 televisions but I'll be sure to tell you all (when I finally get them) the result of connecting some highly rated and respected HDMI leads to my new Sony HDL-52W4000 television (for which I paid £1,115 on eBay two weeks ago) in place of the £10 Tesco leads it is temporarily making do with!

I'm certainly grateful to alEnRIK for posting his own personal experience of what works and what is a waste of money.

In the meantime, and in view of the fact this thread is entitled, "I want to by (sic) a new TV and want some advice," can I ask it to embrace the question of how best to dispose of the vast and prodigiously heavy 36" Sony CRT television that is now sitting forlornly and abandoned at the far end of our lounge, stripped of all its former leads and accessories?

It took three large men an hour to get it out of the delivery van and installed in its present location eight years ago - and it hasn't moved a millimetre since. There's no chance of getting it up the stairs, so £2,300 of 2001 money now looks destined for a landfill site after a brief sojourn outdoors at the local council tip.

But how the hell does one get these things out of the house and down to the tip??

All suggestions will be gratefully received and considered!

The Heart Foundation are one fo the few charities who will take electrical items, including TVs. You could give them a ring and they should come and collect it. Freecycle is another option.

I'd be interested to see what difference, if any, the new HDMI cables make. Everything I've read suggests that as HDMI carries a digital signal it either works or doesn't and there's no point in buying expensive ones.