Suspended from work! (Production/Factory Supervisor)

rlc_2

Brix26 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies everyone. Intresting comments but I wont say sorry so looks like bye bye job.

There's a world of difference between saying it and meaning it. It's tough getting a job at the moment. Swallow your pride this once - there's nothing to say you can't start looking for a job now. When you get something else you can go to your boss and tell him how you feel and why you're leaving.

All the best,

SomeBozo

ps. It is illegal to give a bad reference. They can though refuse to give one at all.

Just to clarify, you can give a "BAD" reference.

If I had a employee who was late to work a lot and once stole a pen and got diciplinary for it, I could write "X has a problem with timekeeping as he was constantly late. He also stole a pen in xx/dd/yyyy". If I wanted to.

Bozo

McKneff

Brix26 wrote: »

Oh and BTW, I had no intentions at all of handing my notice in at all. I was going to dump them in it just like they have me for many many years.:beer:

that makes you even worse than they are.
You need to grow up. Yes, they will maybe feel it but
wha about considering your work colleagues who have to cover
for you, they didnt do yu any harm yet they are the ones who
are going to feel it directly.

Brix26

Annie, you said grow up.

You have no idea about my bosses and even less of my work mates. Been there longer than you know so I know by now who exactly I can rely on and trust.

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

So, annie, dont assume anything, makes you look a complete fool making statement you have no idea about.

dmg24

Brix26 wrote: »

Annie, you said grow up.

You have no idea about my bosses and even less of my work mates. Been there longer than you know so I know by now who exactly I can rely on and trust.

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

So, annie, dont assume anything, makes you look a complete fool making statement you have no idea about.

So why post half a story? People can only go by what you post. What you have posted does come across as very immature (and slightly paranoid).

Pinzy

Chill, may be best to work your notice. Yes some people deserve to be dumped in it, but check your contract. They may get away with paying you less. Why should they have your money on top of everything else.

Fundamentally it's up to you. Sometimes the sweet sense of revenge may be worth a couple of hundred quid!

There is the "you're no better than them" thing, but why should people get away with being !!!!!!!s all the time? Taking the higher road is definitely the best option...
However if I'd been treated really badly, and was certain that my actions upon leaving would have no negative consequence in the future (such as the need for future employment).
it wouldn't be physically, financially, and hardly emotionally damaging to anyone to announce "Enough! *point at various people* You have no sense of justness! I have no idea why You, being on the shop floor, are not underneath the supervisors position, especially as you are barely competent yourself. You are this! You are that!" etc. No swearwords, keep it all short enough to get it all out whilst people are too shocked to react. Smile, because you will be enjoying yourself. "Screw you guys, I'm going home." Stick your bum out at them with a farting noise, and leave.

By no means am I suggesting you do this.... did you hear that people? I. Am. Not. Suggesting. This. As. A. Course. Of. Action. This is just my own daydream.
Though I'd look back, and feel better about doing that than going away properly and meekly! Teehee!

Oh, and if they accuse you of a mental breakdown, agree, and see if you've got a case for emotional distress! :rotfl:

McKneff

Brix26 wrote: »

Annie, you said grow up.

You have no idea about my bosses and even less of my work mates. Been there longer than you know so I know by now who exactly I can rely on and trust.

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

So, annie, dont assume anything, makes you look a complete fool making statement you have no idea about.

I know about loyalty, obviously you dont.
Maybe people you work with are treating you like that because you have been treating them like that eh
Further, if you read my post properly, there is not a single assumption, it is either my opinion or fact.

Anyway, it all seems to have been a waste of time on your part and the people who have been trying to help you.

What goes around comes around, might be days or years but it will come round

Horace

Brix26 wrote: »

I wont say sorry simple as that and I will lose my job if need be as I do have another job starting mid january but they are not aware of this.

Even without the other job to fall back on I still would not say sorry.

You swore at your boss and that is one of the reasons for your suspension. Yes, you offered to help someone in the office by showing them the correct order process but you decided to show them a file containing errors that they had made, this was not in your remit and you should therefore apologise because you have breached confidentiality.

To say that you won't apologise is immature and could have long-reaching detrimental effects - you say that you are due to start a new job in January, no doubt the new employer will seek a reference from your current one and your employer could easily make reference to your insubordination. Would it not be better to actually swallow your pride and apologise and reassure them that it won't happen again?

You are now telling us that you have had problems with the line manager in the past and how he is making life difficult for you - if you perceive this as bullying why haven't you submitted a grievance?

You have been suspended on full pay whilst they carry out an investigation which means that they will be speaking to all parties concerned after their investigation has been completed you will be called to another meeting - expect to be asked to apologise for your abusive and unprofessional behaviour towards your line manager (the person to whom you swore) and expect to get a written warning. In the meantime, have a look at your terms and conditions of employment as well as your company's disciplinary procedure to ascertain what the likely outcome will be.

CFC

Prinzy - I think you miss the point somewhat, perhaps because you have clearly had issues yourself, as you state and as also could be inferred from your posts. Obviously it is your choice as to whether you post here for advice or not, and you choose not to. However, there are many of us in this forum who are employers / HR advisors and the opinions of most who posted in this thread are very sound, although not to the OPs liking, perhaps. Hence I find it hard to understand why you felt that the posters were being rude.

Hence also why there was no point in my offering further advice to Brix. He had received very sound advice, albeit not to his taste. He' s leaving his employer so it hardly matters now, but he would have been very lucky not to be dismissed for Gross Misconduct in regard to the swearing. There would have had to be much apologising and backpedalling if he had wanted to keep his job.

I inferred that you felt it was acceptable to swear at your employer because of your words, that the employer had 'done wrong' to the OP.

Sometimes although we're pretty certain we've been done wrong, the incident(s) in question just seem so unbelieveable, someone will post something like this because you just need to be sure that you're right in feeling that what's happening is out of order.

If I have misunderstood what you meant, I apologise.

One thing I have frequently noticed on these boards is that if people have had a problem with their employers, everytime a poster says

'My company did X, this isn't fair!'

they tend to jump in with an emotional reaction of

'Right on! That employer is waaaay out of line. You show 'em!'

Rather than looking at the facts of the situation and employment law, they then tend to jump up and down about the sound advice offered, and rail at those offering it, because emotionally they are feeling 'it's not fair it's not fair it's not fair'. Not that I am putting you into this pigeon hole, merely making an observation.

I feel it is a tendency that is well worth avoiding as good employment advice is seldom given from an emotional perspective.

PS - as for your telling your own employer that 'this is crap' you are clearly expressing emotional discontent and frustration with the situation rather than at the person/position, and also are not using foul language (it would be difficult to argue that it was swearing) so that is probably fine

Pinzy

CFC - I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. That's why I say to people that yes, you work life may have been made a living hell by horrible people, but technically, once you do something wrong, on record, they've got you over a barrell.

The thing which winds me up (or as you say 'emotes') when people question an OP's validity to post in the first place. There are people who give perfectly nice helpful advice, which is great, but then it's littered with "We'll you're not taking my advice so I don't see why you posted" type of thing, along with "well it all sounds a bit dodgy" which has the extension "well I've never heard of that so it's obviously dodgy" and the old "well you're obviously thick/stupid/immature if you think that"... all of which is hardly helpful, and I feel it's rude. Of course when an OP does get upset by this and doesn't post for a few days, there's the "well they've disappeared so they obviously can't care that much".
Whether the OPs are right or wrong in their complaint, this should be dealt with in a helpful manner. These boards are, I far as I can garner, meant to be here for help and support, not help along with accusations, insults and judgement. (Just for clarification people, this applies to many other board discussions, I'm not accusing anyone of insulting anyone here, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist.)

Anyhoo, Brix seems to have gone. Possibly yet another case of someone coming for help, and being put off ever coming back. Seems all too often to be the MSE way.
I won't be back for this thread, cuz I've nothing else to offer Brix and it's their issue that this discussion's about.
CFC - feel free to PM me if you want to carry on this discussion (or maybe we could set up a thread somewhere.. "MSE Forums - supportive or offputting?" ).
Thanks for the tip on my own situation. I think the crap comment went down fine, I think when I said "if I would've had to work for those two Team Leaders I would've left, as that is a level of incompetence I'm not prepared to work with"... that one didn't go down too well!