Suspended from work! (Production/Factory Supervisor)

Pinzy

Yet again someone comes here for help/opinion, and gets replies from people who think it's their personal duty to be rude and question the OP's validity of posting in the first place. Still, I'm sure these people feel very big when they can lord it over someone on the internet. Bless.
For a website that's meant to be helpful, people like that do a bloody good job of putting off those who may really need help.
Sometimes although we're pretty certain we've been done wrong, the incident(s) in question just seem so unbelieveable, someone will post something like this because you just need to be sure that you're right in feeling that what's happening is out of order.
Before the accusations of naivety come flying along - being naive isn't anything wrong. If we had it rammed down our throats all the horrid things that could possibly happen to us, we'd be extremely miserable. I prefer to go about my life without bitter cynicism.

Brix26 - I've had a similar situation. Yes, you may be dismissed for gross insuboardination. Yes, it is unfair. Unfortunately it happens. Damn good job you've got somewhere to go to. Enjoy your time off with full pay - you're not even using up holiday!
The only downside is if references are required in the future. So by all means, stick to your principles. Just don't go throwing moonies at people on the way out (Though I'm still debating whether to upend a couple of ice water drinks on certain people's heads at the xmas doo. )
If possible, see if you can get a written reference from one of the bosses to keep for the future. Maybe mention in conversation that you've been keeping a log of events and have been reading up on unfair dismissal. You may be able to 'resign' rather than having it on paper that you've been fired.
Above all, remember that people talk a lot of talk, but a lot back down when they realise you're not going to bend over and take it. Equally, you mustn't make threats you're not willing to a) back up; b) certain you can carry out successfully.

Good luck!

ps. It is illegal to give a bad reference. They can though refuse to give one at all.

Brix26

Thank you very much for your positive reply Pinzi.

I am standing by my principles all the way. This instance is not the first at all regarding issues very similar to this which I all have documented and even the bosses agreal the me and a certain member of staff have clash of personalities. This certain member is behind all this and ironically I can not have any supervision over her even though she is just a worker in the factory I am supposed to have supervision over. IM SO RESTRICTED and if i back down and say sorry im creating all kinds of trouble for myself with this roll. I have asked on many occassions with managment to change roll to a lesser roll without any success. I cant win and cant continue. REALLY!

SuziQ

Pinzy I don't think the reactions of those answering Brix were unreasonable,given he has thrown everyones' advice back in their face. With such a good job to go onto I'm not even sure why he bothered posting in the first place. By the way Briz it's 'role' not roll.My spelling is rubbish as well (and my punctuation for that matter!)

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the action you took showing what I suspect was a confidential document to the other employee,I'm afraid that once you swear you are always going to lose whatever the argument is. It's just a deal-breaker.As you are onto better things just put it down to experience.

brazilianwax

Pinzy wrote: »

ps. It is illegal to give a bad reference. .

Oh no it isn't, :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

as long as it can be shown to be true you can say anything - positive or negative :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Brix26

SuziQ

given he has thrown everyones' advice back in their face.

Thats not right or fair. I have not thrown any poster's back in their faces at all. I have thanked you all in every reply.

I came for opinions to see if I was really in the wrong regarding this issue and got what I was expecting, good and bad.

This issue here is one of many so I feel I cant go on either really.

I have far from thrown advise back SuziQ

dmg24

Brix26 wrote: »

I wont say sorry simple as that and I will lose my job if need be as I do have another job starting mid january but they are not aware of this.

Even without the other job to fall back on I still would not say sorry.

Hope I get what Im looking for as Im a bit in dispair really

So you're starting your great new job in January but haven't handed in your notice yet? Plus you are in despair about the possibility of losing your current job? Doesn't really add up to me?

I assume you will need a reference for your new position?

Brix26

New job is all sorted, no ref as i have worked with the company before. Contract starts last week Jan.

Why strange I never mentioned it before. It was not an issue at all and as I told you I wanted opinions regarding the matter I posted and not my future employment, right?

Brix26

Oh and BTW, I had no intentions at all of handing my notice in at all. I was going to dump them in it just like they have me for many many years.:beer:

CFC

Pinzy wrote: »

Yet again someone comes here for help/opinion, and gets replies from people who think it's their personal duty to be rude and question the OP's validity of posting in the first place. Still, I'm sure these people feel very big when they can lord it over someone on the internet. Bless.

Rude? Perhaps you should read your comments above and consider your emotional reaction to the help that's been given?


For a website that's meant to be helpful, people like that do a bloody good job of putting off those who may really need help.
Sometimes although we're pretty certain we've been done wrong, the incident(s) in question just seem so unbelieveable, someone will post something like this because you just need to be sure that you're right in feeling that what's happening is out of order.
Before the accusations of naivety come flying along - being naive isn't anything wrong. If we had it rammed down our throats all the horrid things that could possibly happen to us, we'd be extremely miserable. I prefer to go about my life without bitter cynicism.

Who's talking about cynicism? You think it's OK to swear at your employer? Good job you don't work for me. Not many places will tolerate it. In fact, I don't know of one.

Brix26 - I've had a similar situation. Yes, you may be dismissed for gross insuboardination. Yes, it is unfair. Unfortunately it happens. Damn good job you've got somewhere to go to. Enjoy your time off with full pay - you're not even using up holiday!

So you think it's unfair that he is suspended for swearing at his manager? Sorry, but it really is usually treated as Gross Misconduct. That's because it IS Gross Misconduct. If a manager swore at an employee and then got suspended, would you still think it was unfair? I suspect not.


If possible, see if you can get a written reference from one of the bosses to keep for the future.

The kind of reference the OP would get while suspended isn't going to be a great one, you know.

Maybe mention in conversation that you've been keeping a log of events and have been reading up on unfair dismissal. You may be able to 'resign' rather than having it on paper that you've been fired.

I see. You really don't know much about the subject of employment law, but you're going to express an opinion anyway. Well, that's fine, but then please don't criticise other people for offering less favourable, but fact based, opinions.

Above all, remember that people talk a lot of talk, but a lot back down when they realise you're not going to bend over and take it. Equally, you mustn't make threats you're not willing to a) back up; b) certain you can carry out successfully.

Good luck!

ps. It is illegal to give a bad reference. They can though refuse to give one at all.

Rubbish, I'm afraid!

Clearly you have had issues with either your current or previous employer.

Pinzy

brazilianwax wrote: »

Oh no it isn't, :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

as long as it can be shown to be true you can say anything - positive or negative :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Interesting, thanks Brazil (and CFC), another urban myth bites the dust.

SuziQ wrote: »

Pinzy I don't think the reactions of those answering Brix were unreasonable,given he has thrown everyones' advice back in their face. With such a good job to go onto I'm not even sure why he bothered posting in the first place. By the way Briz it's 'role' not roll.My spelling is rubbish as well (and my punctuation for that matter!)

I don't think the OP has thrown anybody's advice back. People seem to be personally offended if the OP isn't taking their advice, but isn't that the point of giving it? You ask for advice and go with which suits you best.
As I said before, sometimes these things are so shocking you post them here just to make sure you haven't lost your marbles and what is happening is a bit out of order. Btw, Firefox internet browser has an automatic spellchecker on everything written (but not grammar). HTH.

CFC - yes, I do get 'emotional' (well, annoyed) at the level of battering OPs get on these boards. People are downright rude, the comments here are relatively light in comparison to some. You are however, absolutely right, I should not have lowered myself to that level.

Most of your other comments however appear to bare little relation to my post which you're replying to.:huh:

• I never mentioned it being ok to swear at an employer (as an aside, there is a difference between "this is f***ing s**t" and "you're a f***ing s**t - we don't know what was used here). Maybe you could re-read my post?
• I never said it was unfair to be sacked for swearing. It does however, appear that all the preceding events which led to OP's situation, is unfair. Maybe you could re-read my post?
• Regarding getting a pre-written reference; I meant if there was a manager Brix was on good terms with, this may be an option. My apologies Brix if this wasn't clear.
• I don't know a great deal about employment law, if you do, perhaps you could offer some more advice to Brix? I will however offer an opinion/advice based on the facts posted, because that is what has been asked for by the OP. (Maybe you could re-read the first post! ) My opinion/advice is always of the suggestive "maybe you should" type, and I always try to warn what the negative outcome may be. I don't profess to know all the facts, and if some asks for advice, but mine isn't necessarily the right one, I won't get offended, because I'm not them, and don't know every single little thing which has happened.
• Again misquoted:rolleyes:; I haven't criticized anybody for offering fact based opinions, favourable or not. If you would care to re-read my post, you would note that I was criticizing those who "think it's their personal duty to be rude and question the OP's validity of posting in the first place". Which certainly does not cover the information you personally, CFC, originally posted. However if you feel the need to stick up for those people who are being rude, feel free.
• Clearly I do have issues with a recently ex-employer (maybe your insight comes from when I wrote "I've had a similar situation"). Many similarities, though the worst I said was "this is crap!". I won't go into detail, this isn't my thread. Maybe I will ask for advice (if I decide to looking into pursuing a case), but it won't be on these forums. The other side is there's only 1 flippin life, why waste it on horrid people you've happen to have worked with? On one hand I wish I'd never set foot in there. On the other, I learned that you can take the adults out of the playground, but you can't take the playground out of the adults. A lesson, but not one fundamentally necessary. If some people go through life without having to learn this, I'm very pleased for them!

I hope this clears things up. Please feel free to re-read what I have posted. Hopefully less of your comments will carry the phrase "you think", as you are quite obviously quite unaware (and quite unable to know) what I am thinking. *Rushes off to check for cameras in the back of my head.*

Brix - do your own research on the reference issue. It seems (to me) they can state facts, but cannot make unfavourable comments on your character.
I do think the idea of apologising as obeying a command is a good one. Perhaps written. i.e. "under the command of Mr X, my manager, I apologise to Y". Be aware though that stuff like that will wind people up, cuz they know just as much as you that doing that isn't anywhere near a real apology!