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  • adaze
    adaze Posts: 623 Forumite
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    Non-notifable* electrical installation work must also be carried out in accordance with the requirements of BS 7871:2001 or an equivalent standard. However, it is not necessary for the work to be checked by a building control body or alternatively carried out by an installer registered with a Part P competent person self-certification scheme"
    - Page 12, Part P document

    *adding an additonal fitting to an existing circuit is not notifiable
    Part P applies to all electrical installation work carried out in dwellings. However, you do not need to tell your local authority's Building Control department about:
    • repairs and maintenance work or
    • extra power points or lighting points or other alterations to existing circuits (except in specially defined areas such as a kitchen, bathroom or outdoors)
    - Part P website
    I think it is reasonably clear that you CAN add an additonal fitting. And again without going through all of the 7871 document (does this not specify how and to what standard the relevant works should meet?), I would say you CAN add to an existing circuit, providing you do it in accordance with 7871, i.e. properly. If you can point me, or anyone else, to a trustworthy source that states otherwise then I will happily be convinced that you cannot do anything at all with your electrics - or maybe thats what the Part P police want... ;)
  • latecomer
    latecomer Posts: 4,331 Forumite
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    madjay wrote: »

    all you have done is googled a page, read the first line and now think you know it all when it is clear you have no qualifications in this area and know jack about the subject.

    Please enlighten us. Stating all the applicable points with references this time.

    PS adaze BS7871 is another matter altogether - "Pneumatic conveying. Glossary of terms" adaze BS7671 is the one you were after :)

  • madjay
    madjay Posts: 299 Forumite
    BS 7671-2008 IEE Wiring Regulations 17th Edition is the standard that has to be met.

    but has Section O, clause 0.8 a ii states the work can be carry out by a DIYer but has to been inspected and tested by a BS7671 competent person and a Minor Electrical Works Certificate issued.

    The issue of this Certificate make the person who signs legally responsable for the Electrical works. Therefore if your house burn down or some one dies due to a electric shock that person can be Prosecuted.

    By the why a BS7671 competent person is a qualified Spark.

    So if you want to go head and play with electric just remember it is not just another socket or Light that can be added, you can land in prison if you F##K it up

    Happy DIY
  • latecomer
    latecomer Posts: 4,331 Forumite
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    If it was the clear cut then there wouldn't be any debate over DIY work. there would be a law which states that no electrical work may be done by someone who is not registered as being competent to BS7671.

    How did we all survive before all these regulations came about as every house must have been a death trap. You can cause a death by having badly maintained car and go to prison...so you can give the scaremongering a miss.
  • madjay
    madjay Posts: 299 Forumite
    This regs have been around for a hell of a long time before it was made law. And yes most houses I have see are death traps because people think they know electrics.

    I am not scaremongering I was just advising that if you want to play about with electrics you should know what you are getting in to.

    By the why you can not be registered to be BS7671.

    You have to be competent to BS7671 AKA qualfied spark

    It is that clear cut if you add to any electrical circuit you have have it Tested and inspected by a BS7671 competent person. A DIYer will not have the equipment or knowledge to carry this out.

    The only debate is by DIYers who think they Know it all and have been stopped but think there is a loop hole.
  • espresso
    espresso Posts: 16,448 Forumite
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    madjay wrote: »
    This regs have been around for a hell of a long time before it was made law. And yes most houses I have see are death traps because people think they know electrics.

    I am not scaremongering I was just advising that if you want to play about with electrics you should know what you are getting in to.

    By the why you can not be registered to be BS7671.

    You have to be competent to BS7671 AKA qualfied spark

    It is that clear cut if you add to any electrical circuit you have have it Tested and inspected by a BS7671 competent person. A DIYer will not have the equipment or knowledge to carry this out.

    The only debate is by DIYers who think they Know it all and have been stopped but think there is a loop hole.

    You're in a dream world not the real world!

    :rolleyes:
    :doh: Blue text on this forum usually signifies hyperlinks, so click on them!..:wall:
  • madjay
    madjay Posts: 299 Forumite
    espresso wrote: »
    You're in a dream world not the real world!

    :rolleyes:

    Well that clear know nothing about the subject but just wanted to say something!!

    Try reading all of Part P Document and the IEE Wiring Regulations 17th Edition
    before you make your next comment or is just past your bed time?
  • adaze
    adaze Posts: 623 Forumite
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    latecomer wrote: »
    Please enlighten us. Stating all the applicable points with references this time.

    PS adaze BS7871 is another matter altogether - "Pneumatic conveying. Glossary of terms" adaze BS7671 is the one you were after :)

    Damn it, I was so close ;)

    I find this completely baffling. You are saying that even changing a socket would require being done in accordance with BS7671, therefore you can't even do that yourself. I don't think this is the case, this side of the argument has a mountain of evidence, whereas the case for you not being able to touch anything electrical seems to be crumbling away. I what you say is true surely you can quote from a reliable source?
    Part P will apply to all electrical work in dwellings, whether carried out by professionals or DIYers.
    Some DIY work will require the submission of a building notice to the local authority and the payment of a building control fee.
    Some minor electrical work will not be notifiable, as explained above. Examples include adding a lighting or power point to an existing circuit, adding a spur to an existing circuit or replacing a light fitting.
    - IET Website
  • madjay
    madjay Posts: 299 Forumite
    See post 6
    madjay wrote: »
    You are only allowed to change lighting and power accessories like for like or different manufacturer and replace damaged cables. you are not allow to add to lighting or power circuits. quote]
  • espresso
    espresso Posts: 16,448 Forumite
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    Q6: What are competent person self-certification schemes?

    Electrical contractors who register with a competent person self-certification scheme will be able to self-certify compliance with the Building Regulations whenever they carry out 'notifiable' work.

    Persons who are not registered with a self-certification scheme - including DIYers - will need to notify or submit plans to a building control body, unless the work is non-notifiable as described above.
    ......................
    :doh: Blue text on this forum usually signifies hyperlinks, so click on them!..:wall:
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