What class are you? Poll results/discussion

moggylover

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Lets add some definitions to it! (from http://www.businessballs.com/demographicsclassifications.htm)

If my class is best defined by my work, then i'm a C1 but edging towards B. Probably quite fair, but I plan to be an A one day

Absolutely, TOTALLY impossible! One is either born upper class or can never be! It is NOT a question of money (you will remain merely nouveau riche:D nor even of marrying in (when your children might be considered upper class but you would not:D ).

Monied class you might achieve - Upper class, sorry mate - you missed the boat at birth:D

Norma_Desmond

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I think you're generalising a little to say that game is 'poor animals shot for a hobby'. I agree in some instances (corporate pheasant shoots spring to mind here) you're bang on the money. However I have no problem eating game which has to have its population controlled and is being shot for food.

I agree with your other points - class is very confusing. I consider myself a 'class mutt'. My Father is a self-made man who grew up in a slum, finished school at 14 and got his first job washing out rubbish bins at the back of Woolies. My Mother hails from a titled family and had the full benefits of growing up with a nanny, going on to Rodean and a Swiss finishing school. My Father is loaded with a large house full of 'shiny things' and my Mother is as poor as a church mouse in a tiny house full of heirlooms.

I went to the local state school, but then (bizarrely in my view) was sent to finishing school. I dropped out of university, but make a good living despite that. I talk with what I'm told is a 'plummy' accent (my OH loves to make me say 'power shower'..or apparently 'paaar shaar' in my case), which I generally use to utter long strings of expletives or order pints of Guinness. I'm equally at home in the stands at a footie match as I am in a tent at Henley Regatta.

I think the only truly important thing about class is that, no matter which one you are, you don't judge others for theirs.

Our family history is not dissimilar - except that it was my Mother's family that was working class and my Father's that were landed gentry and titled!
I went to a private school and dropped out of university too, but I think your last sentence really sums up the whole class debate; I couldn't care less about someone's background, whereas I've been fair game in the past and the butt of many a joke (some nasty) because I'm labelled as 'posh'.

If I were to make the same sort of comments about 'working class' people I'd be thought of as a cruel snob - and rightly so!

I'm proud of my upbringing as should anyone be if they've turned out to be a decent human being - that's what matters.

pollypenny

A question for Fudgecat - what's a better accent? Do you mean your kids talk posh.

pollypenny

Class does not matter, surely. It is how one conducts oneself, with consideration for others and respect. The media tends to use the 'working class label' in a very negative way for people who only feed their families on chips etc.

My background is that of the vast majority of the country - hard working, respectable working class parents, with my sisters and I going on to gain degrees and work in professions.

The 'working class' are still highly respectable - Thatcher did not manage to destroy everything.

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moggylover wrote: »

Absolutely, TOTALLY impossible! One is either born upper class or can never be! It is NOT a question of money (you will remain merely nouveau riche:D nor even of marrying in (when your children might be considered upper class but you would not:D ).

Monied class you might achieve - Upper class, sorry mate - you missed the boat at birth:D

It appears that you've mistaken socio-economic groups and social classes. Since no one uses 'social class' in marketing since it's a meaningless pseudo-meme, i stand by my socio-economic status!

moggylover

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I think you're generalising a little to say that game is 'poor animals shot for a hobby'. I agree in some instances (corporate pheasant shoots spring to mind here) you're bang on the money. However I have no problem eating game which has to have its population controlled and is being shot for food.

I agree with your other points - class is very confusing. I consider myself a 'class mutt'. My Father is a self-made man who grew up in a slum, finished school at 14 and got his first job washing out rubbish bins at the back of Woolies. My Mother hails from a titled family and had the full benefits of growing up with a nanny, going on to Rodean and a Swiss finishing school. My Father is loaded with a large house full of 'shiny things' and my Mother is as poor as a church mouse in a tiny house full of heirlooms.

I went to the local state school, but then (bizarrely in my view) was sent to finishing school. I dropped out of university, but make a good living despite that. I talk with what I'm told is a 'plummy' accent (my OH loves to make me say 'power shower'..or apparently 'paaar shaar' in my case), which I generally use to utter long strings of expletives or order pints of Guinness. I'm equally at home in the stands at a footie match as I am in a tent at Henley Regatta.


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Ah Welshwoofs! You have just had me rolling about laughing as I remembered a dear friend from work many years ago who had also been to private school and Swiss finishing school!

Smart, elegant, well-groomed, and every inch the lady, until she opened her mouth: and then she could spew forth more epithets than the average docker without batting an eyelid, or missing a letter from any of them!;)

Somehow ALL of those swear words sounded SO much more cutting when said with her accent.

I can picture the particular disdain with which she would eye us all when we collapsed laughing at her language and the way she would then say:

"Oh, do get up you silly fu**ers: you have definitely heard me swear before, and, no doubt, will again"

All with perfect tone and pronunciation! Whoever taught her elocution would have been proud!



I think the only truly important thing about class is that, no matter which one you are, you don't judge others for theirs.

Well said. Couldn't have put it better myself:D

moggylover

ringo_24601 wrote: »

It appears that you've mistaken socio-economic groups and social classes. Since no one uses 'social class' in marketing since it's a meaningless pseudo-meme, i stand by my socio-economic status!

Since the "A" in the poll for this discussion was explained as "upper class" then you will have to forgive me for going with the assumption that you might be staying on topic:D

Marketing? Isn't that with an "L" for liars in the class below underclass?:D

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Topics meaner, they drift, they wander..

I do know some people who are A. My dad goes shooting with a friend from lodge. His family own land and estates. So, you're correct, the only way to jump to become an 'A' is to marry into it.

There is little stopping anyone becoming a B though

moggylover

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Topics meaner, they drift, they wander..

I do know some people who are A. My dad goes shooting with a friend from lodge. His family own land and estates. So, you're correct, the only way to jump to become an 'A' is to marry into it.

There is little stopping anyone becoming a B though

I do realise topics meander - but still thought you were suggesting you were aiming for the 'A' of the thread.

My kids paternal family own land, lots and lots of land - that still doesn't make then gentry or upper class and, as I said, marrying in does not mean YOU "become" upper class.

I think, if you read the whole post, that what we are discussing is the fact that income/lucre/dosh alone may put you into a different socio-economic bracket: but it doesn't mean that you really get to be a different "class".

One can be a total chav, and still obtain wealth! One can be as poor as a church mouse and still be upper class or aristocratic (in fact, one can even be on benefits and still be upper class:D ) and as rich as Croesus and still as common as muck!

saffypooh

Class is (or should be) an irrelevance. Class is only considered important by those who perceive themselves to be either; better than others or; less worthy than others and is designed purely to subjugate those considered inferior, or to kowtow to those considered superior. Therefore, lack of any defined class makes a person far more open and excepting of others and consequently more peaceful.

Before anyone accuses me of being a liberal/leftwing/commie pillock, my opinion is losely based on Taoist philosophy!