Parking ticket in Asda car park - Is this legal, can they take me to court?

uktim29

I'm sure you don't have to go far to find any of the above. I don't live in a city (or even a town) but have little trouble finding Greengrocers/Butchers etc. It's the same in any other part of the country I've visited as well. You just have to look for them. This is the UK not the states, from around 90% of this country you can't be more than a few miles from the next town, you'll find something somewhere if you want to find them.

RichyRich

SUPERMARKETS don't kill off small shops. SHOPPERS do.

If people really want to have high streets with butchers and bakers and candlestick makers and ironmongers and drapers and greengrocers, all they have to do is SHOP THERE.

The fact that when a supermarket opens these shops tend to close is indicative that the majority of people would rather enjoy the LOWER PRICES that these stores are able to offer than the HIGHER PRICES and LONGER SHOPPING PROCESS a typical high street would provide.

uktim29

RichyRich wrote: »

SUPERMARKETS don't kill off small shops. SHOPPERS do.

Good point. The other point is although there may be less of them there still are small shops if you look for them. From more or less 90% of the UK you'll find one within a few miles.

Tim_Deegan

uktim29 wrote: »

I'm sure you don't have to go far to find any of the above. I don't live in a city (or even a town) but have little trouble finding Greengrocers/Butchers etc. It's the same in any other part of the country I've visited as well. You just have to look for them. This is the UK not the states, from around 90% of this country you can't be more than a few miles from the next town, you'll find something somewhere if you want to find them.

You seem to have got this all the wrong way around. As you have just said you wouldn't be more than a few miles away from such shops......true, but not walking distance like it used to be when they were in each town, so you still have to drive, and still have to park.

It is the towns where they have built huge hypermarkets where the other shops have been killed off.

How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

Tim_Deegan

RichyRich wrote: »

The fact that when a supermarket opens these shops tend to close is indicative that the majority of people would rather enjoy the LOWER PRICES that these stores are able to offer than the HIGHER PRICES and LONGER SHOPPING PROCESS a typical high street would provide.

So in other words the longer opening hours, and lower prices have killed off the small shops. The remaining ones have only survived because theysell better quality products than the supermarkets.

This is now getting off topic.

uktim29

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

My username gives my approx age away! (31 now)

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

so you still have to drive, and still have to park.

Well again the majority will drive or if not public transport is an option. Parking is never a problem away from city centers really.

But you say you can't walk to smaller shops. How many people would have done that 15/20 years ago anyway? They'd have driven or got the bus.

taxiphil

uktim29 wrote: »

Thats just a complete myth.

No, it's not a myth.

There are so many reports and official figures to prove you wrong that I don't know where to start, but here's just one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573773/Up-to-3,000-traditional-shops-quit-high-street.html

(Are you now going to accuse the Telegraph / HM Revenue & Customs / National Federation of Fishmongers / Association of Convenience Stores of falsifying their information and "not doing any research at all", like you accused Which Magazine of doing when their findings disproved what you wanted to believe?)

consultant31

parkerparker wrote: »

Bet you lot are great fun on a night out :beer:

I came here to make sure people don't fall for the PPC scam of paying "fines" which aren't legal. I'm a bit suspicious of your worming around avoiding the real purpose of my post. Usually only PPC affiliates use these tactics :lipsrseal

Anyway, DON'T PAY. The tickets (however well intentioned) are not lawful and you are under no obligation to pay.

BTW I couldn't find a Parent & Child space this morning so I ended up parking diagonally across three disabled spaces

In case this post was meant to make us all laugh so that we can prove we're great fun on a night out, here goes :rotfl: :rotfl:

As to the your phrase that I am "worming around avoiding the real purpose of your post"..........I can assure you that I wasn't trying to avoid answering, I thought (and still think) your real purpose was to get noticed by starting an arguement.

The fact of the matter is not whether the 'fines' are legal or not surely, but that an able-bodied person really should take advantage of being fit enough to leave other designated spaces to those less fortunate than themselves.

Therefore dishing out instructions on how to avoid the 'fines' just encourages people to be selfish, ignorant, idle (or whatever other adjective you may like to use) when all they have to do to avoid paying them is be more thoughtful.

Personally I may be knocking on a bit, but I'm still grateful for the fact that I can walk from the far side of the car-park, rain or shine, and give myself a wee bit of exercise to boot

Tim Deegan, I know that it's not intended for a Mum and 10 year old, but apparently they don't. I wonder if I could use them when I take my 80 year old Mum shopping??:D

RichyRich

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

So in other words the longer opening hours, and lower prices have killed off the small shops.

NO.

Supermarkets have flourished because they better provide for the needs of the market than smaller shops.

If the population wants long opening hours and low prices, and supermarkets provide them, then supermarkets are better.

If a local shop is more expensive, worse value and less convenient than a competitor (i.e supermarket), I fail to see the value in retaining it.

uktim29

taxiphil wrote: »

No, it's not a myth.

There are so many reports and official figures to prove you wrong that I don't know where to start, but here's just one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573773/Up-to-3,000-traditional-shops-quit-high-street.html

Heres a quote from that article

"The one chink of light, industry figures say, are farmers' markets, which have flourished over the past decade. There are an estimated 550 now a weekly fixture in some towns."

The article also states that more than two thirds in fact very near of three quarters of Butcher should still be open. The increase of farmers markets is another viable alternative which will account for to some extent and cancel out one in four butchers closing.

So if theres still more or less three quarters of butchers open, an increase of trading such as farmers markets how come people can't find them? It's because they don't bother looking!

You've a habit of doing this Phil but again you seem to have found an article which when you read through journalistic cynicism and look at the fact three quarters of the population should still be able to find butchers. There has been an increase in activity such as farmers markets. If people bother they'll still be able to find/use these traders but the do and to make an effort to actually visit.

The actual figures in that article show high streets are hardly dead. What it more shows is what I said, people don't bother to look. Thats why around 26% of the business's will have closed. It was never the Supermarkets fault. It was the consumers. If consumers keep deluding themselves saying to themselves "high streets are dead" for their reason for not going to them then more business's will close.

Theres certainly enough small retailers around in the average high street to do your shopping if you want to. Whether people will use them or not is their own problem.

The post directly above whilst I wrote my reply also pretty much proves what I've said. Consumers by choice don't visit high streets, it's not because they're "dead".