[TEXT DELETED BY FORUM TEAM] Marketing Company - YOU WILL NOT BE A MANAGER ONE DAY!!!

Chazolate

I would just like to add to the name and shame BPM Marketing and MJT Marketing in Ipswich.

Chrysalis

tinkerbell85 wrote: »

after my experience with JPK or KPJ whatever they call it these days, i can only say that, yeah, there is an oppurtunity to get promoted into a manager/owner, but the chances of that happening are very slim. It is no different to working for a high street bank or a supermarket. There is an opportunity to progress through the company and become a manager but the amount of staff a company needs is alot higher than the amount of managers that they need.
The problem i have is that people end up working for this company, under the illusion that they will be a manager, putting his/her feet up and watching the money roll in. When in actual fact, in the extremely rare circumstances that you get promoted to a manager, you certainly wont be putting your feet up! And you will still be buying your suits from primark!
If you asked everyone who works "in the business", they are convinced that they are going to be a superstar and earn more money than all their friends put together. But if this is the case, why arent managers of TESCO and NEXT and places like that, quitting their 50K jobs, and going to work for a farce like JPK advertising??
Answer; because they arent young and impressionable, and would laugh at you if you tried to sell them the business. They probably dont have to lie to their staff every morning about how much they earn either!

JPK and KPJ are on every recruitment site going and it looks like the best job in the world. You will go through the three stage interview process. They will Fear of Loss you! make you think you want the job, need the job. convince you that door 2 door sales is fantastic, you will only be doing it for a few months, then they will close you and make you fight for the job.
When you are offered the job, someone will wlk you out of the building and tactfully tell you not to tell your friends and family that its door2door sales and that its commission only and you work 12-14 hours a day, they will give you the answers to tell your family to in their support.
You go for one job, and they manipulate you into wanting another job that is nothing like the advert you saw on the web.

doesnt sound much different to various employment agencies I have used in the past. They typically advertise a job that does not even exist just to get people on their books and then if you lucky they do find you a job but it will be different to whats advertised.

TempUser13

Just my experience of Oval Innovations Brighton,

I've been looking for a marketing job, found oval innovation [Brighton] the website looked very one man bandish so I wasn’t sure what to make of it.

I applied two days later I had my first interview, the interviewee was very amateurish and when I asked "what do you actually do in terms of marketing" He did he’s best to avoid the door-to-door selling and make out it was a marketing job with ad-campaigns.

I ended up coming in for the 'second interview.' I went with a young lad to a small housing estate to do door to door sales all day (which is an insult as the job title was marketing). This guy had been there a while and was certain he would be able to be a manager or assistant manager on a minimum of 60k. I could only feel sorry for him that he brought into this scam and had been doing door to door just in the hope of being promoted, when he is just making other people money who are taking out a massive cut from the original company who wanted the sales to be made.

Payment =

100% commission (which he tried to keep quiet)
£30 per sell.
'Self-employed' so the company wouldn’t have any liabilities

It’s very annoying how this company portrays itself and I can only feel sorry for the guys doing door-to-door, day in day out when all their motivation was they COULD be a manager on a SIX FIGURE SALARY which is ridiculous as this was a small company which doesn’t need managers it needs people doing door-to-door.

All I can say is if you’re looking for a marketing job don’t waste your time here because it’s selling.

jonboy69

tinyminime wrote: »

I have been asked to go for an interview at Suite 303 Cotton Exchange, Liverpool for a company called Business Advertsing Ltd.

Same thing sent CV via a recruitement website, few hours later got a call saying dying to meet me next day. The caller finished the call saying "thanks darling"!. The interview confirmation came from someone on gmail.com?

Tried to find a website to do a little research could only find the recruitment websites they had posted to. Googled the address and found they are in the same suite as P&D marketing and then spotted this forum.

I dont think ill be going to the interview! Feel so stupid for applying in the first place.

Yep thats the place!! ha

Kevin O'neil is now on his 3rd company name in 18 months!

KPJ Enterprises to JPK Advertising to Business Advertising Ltd !

What a joke!

Whats even funnier is that Kev has to keep changing his company name because this thread always appears at the top of google when his company name is searched!!

How long is it before it will appear every time someone searches Business Advertising Ltd ?

I'd start thinking of another name Kev! You;re running out of initials!

Business Advertising Ltd :money:
Kevin O'neill.

Business advertising Ltd
Cotton Exchange building
Bixteth Street
Liverpool
L3 9LQ

bigd2808

jonboy69 wrote: »

Yep thats the place!! ha

Kevin O'neil is now on his 3rd company name in 18 months!

KPJ Enterprises to JPK Advertising to Business Advertising Ltd !

What a joke!

Whats even funnier is that Kev has to keep changing his company name because this thread always appears at the top of google when his company name is searched!!

How long is it before it will appear every time someone searches Business Advertising Ltd ?

I'd start thinking of another name Kev! You;re running out of initials!

Business Advertising Ltd :money:

thats how i found you was the first thing on google when i looked up jake bradford thank god you were otherwise i could be poundin the streets right now lol

u_rang_nothing

theres a lot of talk about these pyramid schemes trying to ripp off a lot of pple,,ill agree that there are quite a lot of these companies but oms is not one of them...after 12 months of hard work putting in 15 hours a day six days a week...nt having time to see ur family or socialise and having to put up with families and friends inexperienced stories ..trying to learn everyday and helping others achieve their dreams i can honestly say dat for arguments sake that person can sit on a chair and be able to earn a lot of money(even though theres a lot more worked involved),,,,,these companies havnt got all those offices because their not promoting ppl and helping others...ull always get those unnsuccesful ppl who cant achieve their dreams and are now trying to rip off others with their lies and conspiracys....ull neva knw till u try it out urself...dnt let some unsuccesful and devious person tell u otherwise....be smart think for urself

Scousebird_2

I had an interview for P&D about 2 years ago now, I think they got my details off my CV on Monster, I went for the interview, got invited to the assessment day and didn't go....smelt funny from the outset and realised it was a scam when it seemed too good to be true and the office was strange. The whole set-up was.

Anyway, I now have a fantastic job in Nursing and I really like it. But be warned because Business Advertising Ltd were on the phone to me the other day saying they had my CV and they had some great job opportunities. I cut in and said I already had a job and I wasn't looking for work. At one point I was actually called 'hun' which I thought wasn't too professional for a business.

I thought this contact was strange as I haven't sent any CV's out for almost two years (but my mobile number has always been the same) and judging by a previous post here my intuition was proven correct.

GRRRATPARKER

Wow! It's amazing how similar everyone's stories are. It's as if the companies have discovered a set formula and are playing them out perfectly. I was lucky enough to discover it was a scam before I took the job, but it's damn shame others (such as jiranimo) didn't. It would be good if everyone emailed the jobsites where they found the jobs to try and get them removed. I mean just now I went on a new jobsite to find some local jobs and these fraudulent firms have spammed this new site as well. It's so frustrating!

And don't be afraid to name and shame the firms and people who interviewed you! It is so important that you don't allow other people fall into the same trap you did!

DeeRam

Loopy_Loo_85 wrote: »

My husband has just started working for this company and have gone through everything that you have all explained that happened at the interview stage. I can completely understand why people believe that it is a scam as I am a strong believer that if it sounds to good to be true it is!!! My husband took the job as we looked at it we have nothing to lose, he has not had to invest any money so I cant not see how it is a scam?? It is a bit unrealistic and its not the best job in the world as its commission only but when he makes a sale he does get paid for it!

Please could someone explain what the scam is, as I have a young family and am very concerned about this??

The reason it is a scam is: you do not do the job advertised. In fact, they do not mention it is 100% commission until you have received the paper to sign, after your trial day.
Most, if not all people are asked to travel so far, and work hours so long (praying that maybe the next person will buy their product so they get a few quid) that they cannot possibly be making even the minimum wage in any other job.

Why do these companies change their names so often? I heard three names on my first "interview" alone. In a building that looked like it was about to fall apart.

Now, the reason they keep changing their names? Because they end up on sites like this, or on a blacklist. As soon as their company shows one of these sites on the first page of google, or any other search engine, they change their names.

If you had a business and you wanted to hire someone. Would you not tell them upfront what they would be doing? Mentioning things about your business, which you would be quite proud over. Telling them what they would be selling. The wage?

You see, if I had a business... i would want a prospective employee to know about what we did. How we did it, when we did it. Why we did it and for how much (and what type of salary, in fact. that bit would be in the job advert). What the hours were, the track record of the company, mention some of the clients. They would find out if there was a dresscode, and if so, what is it like? What WE as a company could offer them. Benefits? Retirement packages? Possibilities to advance in the company?
Heck. I would make sure my company had a website that in its layout and contents said: This is a serious company, which spent more than a packet of bubblegum on a 5 year old to design it.

If you have a young family, i would not take this job. If you accepted it, i would recommend not doing it. You may very well end up working 10+ hours a day (not including travel to and from work) for maybe £100 a week (without factoring in travel expenses), if that. You may end up finding out that not all your sales counted to your salary even though they went through. Or that your commission is far lower than expected.

I have written this before in this thread, but.. in the two days i was interviewed, i saw many many people walk through the doors. Many ended up on the same trial day (which i refused once my mentor let slip it was door to door). If this was a legit job, the company would have 60 in management per 1 in sales after 10 months. There is no way they will have any form of churn of people that large in one single company.

A company which in your case was most likely like mine. One really well decorated (newly and badly painted) room with two receptionists taking calls and buzzing people in. (seeing them unplug the router in order to plug a mobile phone charger in was priceless) Then in the back, the adjoining rooms used for interviews being very very bare. no computers. no files. Maybe a chair looking like it came from a second hand shop selling used IKEA furniture. No phones apart from the ones at reception.

If you were to go to management, where would you work? there are no offices (or in my case at least) set up in that building (in my case at least).

I would be really careful if i was you. This isnt just too good to be true, it isnt true at all. You will not be making 16-20 grand a year. You will be unlikely to make even one grand a month. But you will do the work of at least two people, with silly hours.

If you ask your husband, the paper for the second interview had him number things from 1-8, sign his name and that is it. It will probably have mentioned something along the lines of him being self employed. (and i would be surprised if the company doing the interviews in the same office were the same one listed on the paper)

I am not that knowledgeable on brittish employment law, but at home at least, being self employed is bad. Really bad. If i were self employed at home, i would need to file my own taxes as if i were a company. I would also need to put money into retirement funds, and keep my own work ensurance up to date at all times. In fact - the company that hired me as self employed would have to do no more than pay me. They would not be liable if i had an accident while working, i would. I would have no sick days, no way to be at home with a sick child without losing money. No form of security in knowing that since i work, if i were to suddenly lose it - i can still pay my mortgage. No, i would be required to keep a pretty good crystal ball at hand and save money for just that event.

This is a pretty long thread (and post) now. (i am sorry for the wall of text) You do not have to take our words for what happened to us, or what we feel it is.
But please, be careful.

edit: i apologise if i sound short, it is just the way i speak and write. These people promise the stars, but you would be lucky if they were made out of cardboard

Nicklt

In my local town centre there seems to be the same people "Representing" (on different days) Amnesty International, RSPCA, Oxfam, Brainwave etc (different charities) i wouldn't be surprised if they had been hooked in by one of these advertising companies, they all seem to be around to very late 8pm plus, and i really don't like the way they try to get you too sign up. One of the charitied they "Represent" is Brainwave which is a charity for children with mental illness and children who have had accidents which resulted in brain damage. Sound like a good charity but the way the guy tried to get us to sign up was very rude and almost wrong in my eyes, my 2 year old daughter was with me and he said "How would you feel if your daughter had an accident and go brain damage" this kind of thing really gets me, pushy selling and he was incredibly pushy. We dont have much money and i told him that i couldnt afford the £8 a month and that he should give me a leaflet and i would contact the charity myself if i wanted to donate, but what i found weird was that he had no leaflets or info he could give me on the charity only a form to sign people up on, which to me just proves they are only there to get sign ups so they can get commision so dont really care about the charity.

They all seem to follow people down the high street hounding them, once one of them would not leave a women alone and in the end he said to her "ah come on dont be such a tight !!!! it's only £2 a week", at the point the women went absolutely mad and the guy and started swearing and everything the guy looked stunned, but at the same time i could see why she did, he had followed her for a good 100 metres and wouldnt leave her alone.

They all seem to be the same kind of people aswell, Yound, trendy student types and presume the easiest to get hooked on these things due to their high debts and lack of jobs, i feel sorry for them but at the same time some of them really get on my nerves how pushy they can be. I've only ever signed up with one of these things and that was for oxfam years ago but that was because the women was really nice and didnt push at all.