Disturbance Allowance

EmmaWD

Hiya,
Can anyone tell me for sure if DA is paid with the main pay run at the end of the month.
Ours went in on 16th of this month, but I think it will have missed the pay run due to the BH, so will we have to wait until October's pay now?
Just wondering as I have heard different things from different people about DA, and the last time I moved was pre-JPA.
Also, does anyone know if we can claim an advance of pay for hotels and food costs for the period of the move because if the DA is not through, we may well need it.
I have been told we can claim actuals of up to £26 per day for myself, my husband and my son for each night we are in a hotel, and that we can book the hotel through CHBS but need to pay the hotel ourselves and claim back, is that correct (last move we slept on the floor of our empty house; didn't know about hotels lol)

Thank you in advance for any help!

helliecopter_2

Hi Emma

We moved in Jan and the DA went in hubby's monthly pay and I think this is now the norm. I think the a night in a hotel depends on distance between postings. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't qualify if you moved a short distance eg. from Lyneham to Brize. I'm not sure what the distance has to be t, but admin should be able to confirm. It's also worth checking to see if you can claim your mileage for the move - I know we claimed on the last couple of moves and was something like 32p/mile (which includes an allowance for each passenger) We claimed all our food, drinks and room service when we moved in Jan and think was was around £25p/person for every 24hour period. Just make sure you keep all your receipts and get your OH to lodge claim when you're settled.

Good Luck with the move!

rugbyrules

The last time I got DA (in the JPA era) it was paid as per a normal claim, ie. You dont have to wait until a pay run, it just depends on how efficient your admin staff are.

As for hotel costs, you can advance those on JPA now. Then it it'll probably just be offset against your DA.

EmmaWD

I was under the impression that the MOD pay for your hotel since you have no bed etc for the night, hopefully they will let us get an advance and submit receipts later then because if the DA isn't through before we move, then we'll be a bit stuck.
Hoping the DA will come through though, but I won't hold my breath then lol :-)
Thanks for the replies guys

wagster_2

Officially as it is a UK to UK move you are not entitled to NS unless there is no SFA available at the new station.

The only allowances you can claim for on top of DS is motor mileage allowance from your current unit to your new unit at the private car rate, currently 26p for the 1st person and 2p for each additional passager per mile.

lee634

wagster wrote: »

Officially as it is a UK to UK move you are not entitled to NS unless there is no SFA available at the new station. NOT TRUE

The only allowances you can claim for on top of DS is motor mileage allowance from your current unit to your new unit at the private car rate, currently 26p for the 1st person and 2p for each additional passager per mile.

The info you have been given is incorrect,

Last September My family and I moved, as the furniture is in Transit you are entitled to claim up to 3 nights in a hotel, plus your food allowance on to of that,

You can also claim MMA ,

I think that the DA going in as part of the pay run is the norm now, well mine

wagster_2

lee634 wrote: »

The info you have been given is incorrect,

Last September My family and I moved, as the furniture is in Transit you are entitled to claim up to 3 nights in a hotel, plus your food allowance on to of that,

You can also claim MMA ,

I think that the DA going in as part of the pay run is the norm now, well mine

Read JSP 752 and i think you will find i am more correct reading the JSP than instead of you saying it isn't just because you got it. The problem with any allowances within in the Military is it depends on the Allowance Clerk at the time in question and how they interpret who and what can be claimed for. The only definitive answer is to ask your own clerk and see what they say and if later down the road it is wrong you have someone to blame it on.

Transferring from UK to overseas or vice versa qualifies for staying in a hotel and expenses.

If you move from UK to UK you are not OFFICIALLY entitled unless your new accommodation is not available.


03.0163. Service Families Accommodation Unavailable for Less Than 28 Days in the UK.

Service personnel permanently assigned to a UK duty station where public accommodation has been allocated, but for administrative reasons is temporarily unavailable for occupation for up to 28 days, are entitled to up to 3 nights NS for themselves and their immediate accompanying family, or up to 4 nights NS when a Sunday or Public Holiday is included. The NS may be utilised at the old or new UK permanent assignment station. If SFA cannot be made available after 3 nights (4 if a Sunday or Public Holiday is included), the Service person will be expected to occupy SLA until SFA becomes available. NS will not be available to the immediate family beyond 3/4 nights. Where no SLA is available, NS may be paid for the Service person only, until SLA or SFA is available, subject to the 28-day maximum. A certificate is to be obtained from DHE, the relevant housing authority or the unit, to support a NS claim. Service personnel will not be entitled to additional nights NS, above those allowed in this paragraph.


03.0164. Service Families’ Accommodation Unavailable for 28 days or More.

Where married Service personnel or those in a civil partnership are entitled to, and have applied for, SFA at their new permanent assignment station but have been informed that none is available for occupation within 28 days of joining for duty, the receiving unit can grant up to a maximum of 11 nights NS UK (14 nights NS if overseas) providing it is necessary to stay within 50 miles or 90 minutes travelling time of their new place of duty to look for privately rented accommodation, SSFA or a property to purchase. These additional nights NS are normally to be taken during periods of relocation inter-assignment leave.

03.0165. Subsistence Allowances on Departure from a Permanent Assignment Station in the UK.

Where Service personnel permanently assigned from the UK to an overseas duty station unavoidably incur hotel expenses (eg they are required to move out of their residence at duty station for Service reasons prior to their departure date) they are entitled to up to 3 nights NS for themselves and their immediate accompanying family, or up to 4 nights NS when a Sunday or Public Holiday is included. This NS is to be claimed for temporary overnight accommodation in the UK.There may also be an entitlement to further NS on arrival at the overseas duty station in accordance with paragraph 03.0166. Where the assignment is within the UK and SFA is unavailable on arrival at the new UK duty station there may be an entitlement to NS in accordance with paragraphs 03.0163 or 03.0164.

Also just because your furniture is is transit is not really a valid reason as you are entitled to furnish your house from from military resources therefore having beds to sleep on, chairs and settees to sit on and dining table & chairs to eat at etc,etc.

1012donna

EmmaWD wrote: »

I was under the impression that the MOD pay for your hotel since you have no bed etc for the night, hopefully they will let us get an advance and submit receipts later then because if the DA isn't through before we move, then we'll be a bit stuck.
Hoping the DA will come through though, but I won't hold my breath then lol :-)
Thanks for the replies guys

As has been said it depends on mileage. Our last move was about 200 miles so we weren't entitled but my friend moved about 700 miles and they were entitled to one night whilst their furniture was being taken up.

lee634

Wagster

"Service personnel permanently assigned to a UK duty station where public accommodation has been allocated, but for administrative reasons is temporarily unavailable for occupation for up to 28 days, are entitled to up to 3 nights NS for themselves and their immediate accompanying family, or up to 4 nights NS when a Sunday or Public Holiday is included."

I would suggest you actually read what you have just quoted: Very rarely would you leave 1 SFA and be able to move into another SFA with your furniture as it will not have been delivered on the same day. That would be classed as and administrative reason.


You would not be expected to sleep in an empty house,
That statement is open to interpretation anyway:

Who has actually been refused a hotel when moving ??

wagster_2

lee634 wrote: »

Wagster

"Service personnel permanently assigned to a UK duty station where public accommodation has been allocated, but for administrative reasons is temporarily unavailable for occupation for up to 28 days, are entitled to up to 3 nights NS for themselves and their immediate accompanying family, or up to 4 nights NS when a Sunday or Public Holiday is included."

I would suggest you actually read what you have just quoted: Very rarely would you leave 1 SFA and be able to move into another SFA with your furniture as it will not have been delivered on the same day. That would be classed as and administrative reason.


You would not be expected to sleep in an empty house,
That statement is open to interpretation anyway:

Who has actually been refused a hotel when moving ??

Do everyone a favour and next time you quote something quote the full version not the edited part to make yourself sound correct as if you read JSP's fully you would understand reading one part and ignoring the rest does not constitute the full facts.

The paragraph I was trying to point out actually states and I quote:

03.0165. Subsistence Allowances on Departure from a Permanent Assignment Station in the UK.

Where Service personnel permanently assigned from the UK to an overseas duty station unavoidably incur hotel expenses (eg they are required to move out of their residence at duty station for Service reasons prior to their departure date) they are entitled to up to 3 nights NS for themselves and their immediate accompanying family, or up to 4 nights NS when a Sunday or Public Holiday is included. This NS is to be claimed for temporary overnight accommodation in the UK.There may also be an entitlement to further NS on arrival at the overseas duty station in accordance with paragraph 03.0166. Where the assignment is within the UK and SFA is unavailable on arrival at the new UK duty station there may be an entitlement to NS in accordance with paragraphs 03.0163 or 03.0164.

The part in BOLD is the part that stipulates people might be entitled.

As i also stated you are entitled to get furnishings when your furniture leaves therefore not "sleeping in an empty house" so if a move is done correctly your furniture will go on day 1, temporary furniture arrives on day 1 giving the family something to sit and sleep on, eat out with the family as part of the DA allowance as that is part of what DA is there for to cover meals out whilst marching out, day 2 or day 3 handover quarter and travel to new location, therefore no need of administrave reason.

Oh and i hope for your peace of mind you got a a certificate from DHE, the relevant housing authority or your unit, to support your NS claim!

lee634

Wagster

To start don't start Editing your original post to make things stand out we can all read,
From the way you write it sounds like you are another clerk that hates giving the Forces money away. and if not you should be!!

Do you really think i should have a DHE certificate should that worry me? considering i have moved many times in the last 14 years whilst married and having claimed NS for quite a few moves, Pre and post JPA I don't think I have much to worry about,
and whilst you state it's not officially allowed, I would like to see how many people are not given it, considering it's probably more cost effective to give NS rather than the man hours it takes to move furniture in and out of a SFA with in a 72hr period