Panasonic Breadmakers Tips and Quick Questions Thread

Jazzy_B

I think it's to do with the temperature of the unit. If ingredients are colder , it takes longer to get to the correct temperature, and also some flours might take longer to mix properly . Could be totally wrong though

terra_ferma

Jazzy_B wrote: »

I think it's to do with the temperature of the unit. If ingredients are colder , it takes longer to get to the correct temperature, and also some flours might take longer to mix properly . Could be totally wrong though

agree, also it could be because of the size, for example kenwood machines give different times for different sizes.
Regarding wholewheat and wholemeal flour I think they are the same, you only see wholemeal bread flour in supermarkets, different brands but same product, so you can't go wrong

Looking at your recipe I'm not sure I understand, when you use the wholewheat programme you need at least 50% wholemeal flour, if less you use the white basic programme. I don't know how bran and oats would change the ingredients. Is there a recipe in your books using those ingredients, you could adapt it and use that as your base recipe.

terra_ferma

found this from the recipe book for a newer model, although it's for white bread:
Oat and Bran Loaf
Menu white basic
Yeast 1 tsp
Strong White Flour 400 g (14 oz)
Sugar 11⁄2 tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 11⁄4 tsp
Bran 50 g (2 oz)
Porridge Oats 50 g (2 oz)
Water 350 mL

marmiterulesok

Jazzy_B wrote: »

I think it's to do with the temperature of the unit. If ingredients are colder , it takes longer to get to the correct temperature, and also some flours might take longer to mix properly . Could be totally wrong though

terra_ferma wrote: »

agree, also it could be because of the size, for example kenwood machines give different times for different sizes.
Regarding wholewheat and wholemeal flour I think they are the same, you only see wholemeal bread flour in supermarkets, different brands but same product, so you can't go wrong

Looking at your recipe I'm not sure I understand, when you use the wholewheat programme you need at least 50% wholemeal flour, if less you use the white basic programme. I don't know how bran and oats would change the ingredients. Is there a recipe in your books using those ingredients, you could adapt it and use that as your base recipe.

terra_ferma wrote: »

found this from the recipe book for a newer model, although it's for white bread:
Oat and Bran Loaf
Menu white basic
Yeast 1 tsp
Strong White Flour 400 g (14 oz)
Sugar 11⁄2 tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 11⁄4 tsp
Bran 50 g (2 oz)
Porridge Oats 50 g (2 oz)
Water 350 mL

I'm used to having fixed times with the Kenwood BM.Maybe having varying times is a common feature in other brands of BM.


I think it was a mistake to use the wholewheat option.


I'll try the recipe that you posted next,I think.


One thing I love is that the Panny makes so little noise.The Kenwood BMs I had were noisier.


So,I'll be back later with an update.

marmiterulesok

terra_ferma wrote: »

found this from the recipe book for a newer model, although it's for white bread:
Oat and Bran Loaf
Menu white basic
Yeast 1 tsp
Strong White Flour 400 g (14 oz)
Sugar 11⁄2 tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 11⁄4 tsp
Bran 50 g (2 oz)
Porridge Oats 50 g (2 oz)
Water 350 mL

I tried this recipe using brown bread flour,50g wholemeal flour,50g porridge oats.It's more solid than the first one,but still quite light,still a bit tricky to slice.It tastes good.I am pleased,but next time I'll increase the wholemeal flour and oats to 75g each,and see if it's better.I prefer a more solid loaf.


Thanks again for the recipe.

terra_ferma

I have found a recipe to make rye bread using an old style machine without a rye programme, like the SD253. You need to buy a rye paddle, they are on sale as spare for the SD255 model on Amazon and eBay, £10-12ish, and they fit the SD253 too.
I found the recipe here:
http://forums.myhomegrainmill.co.uk/100-rye-loaf-in-panasonic-sd253_topic3.html

Rye seems to be quite tricky to do in a breadmaker because I tried all sorts of recipes from the web and none of them worked in my Panasonic SD253.I found that the special rye paddle for the SD255 fits it but the SD253 does not have a rye mode which meant I had to improvise.After a lot of trial and error, I found that the SD255 100% rye loaf recipe works well as long as you remember to use the rye paddle


Medium (500g) 100 % Rye Loaf
Ingredients:
2 ½tsp easybake Yeast
500g Freshly milled Rye
2tsp Sugar
3tbsp Oil
2tsp Salt
440ml Water

Note that the sugar is teaspoons NOT tablespoons. In warm weather it may be best to omit the sugar.

Method:
Fit the rye paddle and put the ingredients into the bread pan starting, as always, with the yeast, followed by the flour. Then add the other ingredients on the top. (I lay an old yeast and slowly pour the oil and water onto it which stops the water from getting into the bottom.

Set the machine to the basic white dough mode and when it is finished, without opening the lid, set the machine to bake mode, changing the timer to 1HR 5Mins.

Notes:
This should produce a squat, firm loaf with a slight hollow in the top.

It needs to be tipped out as soon as it finishes and left to stand on a cooling rack for several hours (overnight is better if you can wait that long) before cutting it, as it will be quite moist.

I made one using the same recipe but 50% rye and 50% wholemeal flour, and it came out really nice, quite low risen and heavy like the ones you buy in the shop, and I'm going to try the 100% rye too.
EDIT I didn't use this exact recipe, but another one used for the rye programme:
Yeast 2 tsp
Rye Flour 250 g (9 oz)
Strong Wholemeal Flour 250 g (9 oz)
Sugar 2 tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 2 tsp
Water 380 mL

there's also one with white flour:
Yeast 2 tsp
Rye Flour 250 g (9 oz)
Strong Wholemeal Flour 250 g (9 oz)
Sugar 2 tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 2 tsp
Water 380 mL

marmiterulesok

I made my third loaf,increasing the quantities of porridge oats and wholemeal flour.I like this loaf more,but it is still a wee bit light.Very pleased anyway.I'll need to experiment a bit more.


I can't get over how quiet the BM is.It's a tad frustrating not having a viewing window.

terra_ferma

Reporting back on the 100% rye loaf... it went straight in the bin, it didn't rise or cook properly, I don' know if it was me who did something wrong, will stick to the 50/50 recipe in future....

marmiterulesok

terra_ferma wrote: »

Reporting back on the 100% rye loaf... it went straight in the bin, it didn't rise or cook properly, I don' know if it was me who did something wrong, will stick to the 50/50 recipe in future....

How annoying!

terra_ferma

marmiterulesok wrote: »

How annoying!

Yes it is, my OH was looking forward to my first homemade rye bread