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  • WTF?_2
    WTF?_2 Posts: 4,592 Forumite
    Of course you can buy results! The state sector can't compete (but it trys) with parents who are prepared to pay £20k for JUST ONE YEAR at A level. Nevertheless many kids come out of the state sector with Excellent A level results.

    Does the tuition come with a 'money back if desired A level grade not attained' guarantee? I doubt it does.

    Educational ability is limited by the kid's innate ability. All that education can do is bring it out. In extreme cases, poor educational practices can even disadvantage a kid with good ability.

    If kids who receive tuition are coming out consistently and strongly ahead of those who aren't then I'd say it's a sure sign that the local state sector is doing a rubbish job.
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    Every pound less borrowed (to buy a house) is more than two pounds less to repay and more than three pounds less to earn, over the course of a typical mortgage.
  • Newstead Wood School and St Olaves (both grammars) are both in south London and have been at the top of the league tables for as many years as I can remember. The former is mentioned in the Good Schools Guide.

    Both St Olaves and Newstead Wood are in Orpington, which is part of Kent, not London.
  • MissMoneypenny
    MissMoneypenny Posts: 5,324 Forumite
    They are both Kent, really, I think?

    Further into south London (Southwark, Lewisham, Greenwich) the picture's pretty dire.

    They are both in London. Those areas became London in 1965. Greenwich and Lewisham use to be part of Kent too.


    RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
    Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.


  • MissMoneypenny
    MissMoneypenny Posts: 5,324 Forumite
    Both St Olaves and Newstead Wood are in Orpington, which is part of Kent, not London.

    Orpington became a London Borough 43 years ago. They are in the London Borough of Bromley. Sidcup became London at the same time and became part of the London Borough of Bexley. I remember it well:D

    Knockholt complained and managed to get itself reverted back to Kent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpington

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Borough_of_Bromley
    RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
    Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.


  • jamescredmond
    jamescredmond Posts: 1,061 Forumite
    !!!!!!? wrote: »
    My grammar school was indeed oversubscribed - so they picked the students with the best 11+ grades. That's kind of the point of academic selection rather than the postcode lottery.....:cool:
    if the 11+ was the 'gold standard' that simply could not be bettered, then it would surely be with us today.

    it may have been sacrificed by a left-wing ideology that went in search of the holy grail of 'absolute equality', but would've been re-introduced by a combo of public outrage, business community consternation and the swift actions of a returning tory gov.

    but this didn't happen.

    was this because it had become nigh impossible to defend - let alone promote - a method of determining ability that had been 'outed' as fundamentally flawed?

    I can't accept that every con. administration since the early 70's has been gulled into acquiescence by every edu. theorist with an agenda.

    when john major told conference he wanted to 'see a grammar school in every town' (he opened just 2, btw) he was, in all probability, just trying to get some of the more traditional tories off his back.

    thatch's contribution is well documented.

    the postcode lottery - agreed - is even more iniquitous, and real polit. courage is needed to right this wrong.

    but 'bigging' up a discredited IQ test just doesn't make sense.
    miladdo
  • WTF?_2
    WTF?_2 Posts: 4,592 Forumite
    if the 11+ was the 'gold standard' that simply could not be bettered, then it would surely be with us today.

    it may have been sacrificed by a left-wing ideology that went in search of the holy grail of 'absolute equality', but would've been re-introduced by a combo of public outrage, business community consternation and the swift actions of a returning tory gov.

    but this didn't happen.

    was this because it had become nigh impossible to defend - let alone promote - a method of determining ability that had been 'outed' as fundamentally flawed?

    I can't accept that every con. administration since the early 70's has been gulled into acquiescence by every edu. theorist with an agenda.

    when john major told conference he wanted to 'see a grammar school in every town' (he opened just 2, btw) he was, in all probability, just trying to get some of the more traditional tories off his back.

    thatch's contribution is well documented.

    the postcode lottery - agreed - is even more iniquitous, and real polit. courage is needed to right this wrong.

    but 'bigging' up a discredited IQ test just doesn't make sense.

    Lots of things in society have been got rid of in the last couple of decades in the name of supposed social progress. Not always with the best results.
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    Every pound less borrowed (to buy a house) is more than two pounds less to repay and more than three pounds less to earn, over the course of a typical mortgage.
  • m00m00
    m00m00 Posts: 1,755 Forumite
    sadly schooling these days is far less about education than it should be.

    I wouldn't want any theoretical spawn of mine attending any of the local schools here, and that's nothing to do with any perceived quality of teaching. It only takes a couple of scum to derail a classroom in no time, and there's no shortage of the antisocial hoodie wearing mob around here in the local catchment area.
    It's a health benefit ...
  • jamescredmond
    jamescredmond Posts: 1,061 Forumite
    !!!!!!? wrote: »
    Lots of things in society have been got rid of in the last couple of decades in the name of supposed social progress. Not always with the best results.
    let's not get too maudlin.

    there's plenty to (still) be cheerful about.

    let's look at what has improved since 1970:

    organ transplants - once a dream - now commonplace.

    racism less tolerated.

    pubs open longer (though not sure about 24hr).

    cheaper food (for the minute).

    women's rights vastly improved.

    the chances of being fitted up by the Bill much reduced, as are the sat. night cell - beatings.

    a partial dismantling of the class system - what chance did we have against a tie and a crest?

    it ain't all doom n' gloom!
    miladdo
  • MissMoneypenny
    MissMoneypenny Posts: 5,324 Forumite
    !!!!!!? wrote: »
    'Oversubscribed' primary schools didn't exist in my day since people didn't have the money to go out and buy houses in the catchment areas of the supposedly 'good' ones - not that the league tables which have prompted this bizarre behaviour existed back then either.

    You simply went to your local primary.

    The same in my day too, but I don't recall us having an upper limit to class numbers. So it was pot luck as to how many children went to the school.

    The class at one primary school I went to, had over 30 children in the class. At another primary I went to, they only had about 35 children in the whole school.
    RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
    Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.


  • chrisandanne
    chrisandanne Posts: 434 Forumite
    !!!!!!? wrote: »
    Lots of things in society have been got rid of in the last couple of decades in the name of supposed social progress. Not always with the best results.

    Let's get maudlin :-

    Gone...

    British Steel

    The Mining Industry

    The Car makers

    Local Railways

    Free School Milk

    One wage being enough to keep a family

    Any more ???

    A x
    Don't believe everything you think.

    Blessed are the cracked...for they are the ones who let in the light. A x
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