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MissMoneypenny wrote: »Top primary schools are oversubscribed. Not all schools will be doing what your school did.
'Oversubscribed' primary schools didn't exist in my day since people didn't have the money to go out and buy houses in the catchment areas of the supposedly 'good' ones - not that the league tables which have prompted this bizarre behaviour existed back then either.
You simply went to your local primary. Mine was full of kids mostly from the local council housing estates, like me. Lots of us went on to various grammar schools because we got good 11+ results.
Many of us then went on to University because at the time getting into university was about good grades, not how much cash your parents had. That's because those of us from less than well-off backgrounds got our fees paid and student grants enabling us to go.
Since grants have gone 'by the by', fees must now be paid by the student and the universities have been forced to take on more people to get fee-paying students (like a business getting customers), requirements for entrance have dropped and now it's more about "Can you afford to go to university?" rather than "Are you smart enough to go to university?".
You can't buy a good result for your child, or rather you shouldn't be able to if the state sector is doing its job properly. You can buy a better education which will help your child achieve their full potential and if many other schools are doing such a rubbish job that they are hurting the bright kids prospects then that certainly improves your own kids chances of getting the grades even if they aren't the brightest.Parents seem to be able to buy themselves good A level results for their children, so why not 11+? What happened with Harry would not have been a one off.
In short, a good parent should always want the best possible education for their children, irrespective of the kids ability, because they can at least achieve their full potential that way. The last thing you want is for your child to underachieve due to woeful education. This seems to be a very real danger these days.--
Every pound less borrowed (to buy a house) is more than two pounds less to repay and more than three pounds less to earn, over the course of a typical mortgage.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »It is strange how the SATS tests were brought out to see how well teachers were performing, yet have been neatly pushed onto how well the children are performing
Because SATs test kids' knowlege of the National Curriculum they have turned out to be highly predictive of GCSE performance. SATs results at key satge 2 (age 11) are highly predictive of GCSE results at age 16. Of course, SATS results at Key stage 3 (age 13) are even more predictive. There is even a strong link between SATs at age 7 and GCSE performance. Therefore, they have been found to be a really useful tool for measuring pupil performance.A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
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MissMoneypenny wrote: »Parents seem to be able to buy themselves good A level results for their children, so why not 11+? What happened with Harry would not have been a one off.
A parent on another thread admitted to having spent £18k per year on their childs A levels...£36k:eek: Their child was in a class of just 5!A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
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'Oversubscribed' primary schools didn't exist in my day
I'm sure your Grammar School had a waiting list...some students would have got a pass on the 11+ but not get a place as other students got higher marks. They would then sit on the waiting list hoping that a student that had secured a place would go to another Grammar.A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
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BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »A parent on another thread admitted to having spent £18k per year on their childs A levels...£36k:eek: Their child was in a class of just 5!
Not necesarily.....I actually did do my a levels in state education, 5 of them, in one year. (pre the days of doing As levels as standard as well as A-levels). I would have hoped to do the same in private eduction had I stayed there.0 -
BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »I'm sure your Grammar School had a waiting list...some students would have got a pass on the 11+ but not get a place as other students got higher marks. They would then sit on the waiting list hoping that a student that had secured a place would go to another Grammar.
My grammar school was indeed oversubscribed - so they picked the students with the best 11+ grades. That's kind of the point of academic selection rather than the postcode lottery.....:cool:--
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You can't buy a good result for your child, or rather you shouldn't be able to if the state sector is doing its job properly. You can buy a better education which will help your child achieve their full potential and if many other schools are doing such a rubbish job that they are hurting the bright kids prospects then that certainly improves your own kids chances of getting the grades even if they aren't the brightest.
Of course you can buy results! The state sector can't compete (but it trys) with parents who are prepared to pay £20k for JUST ONE YEAR at A level. Nevertheless many kids come out of the state sector with Excellent A level results.A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
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BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »This is nothing personal (as I enjoy most of your posts) and I have argued this elsewhere on MSE but I think this is an absurd amount of money to pay for a few GCSEs and A levels.
It's a long way from just being GCSEs and A levels, though.
I'm the eldest of 4 children. My parents must have fairly shelled out over the years....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »Because SATs test kids' knowlege of the National Curriculum they have turned out to be highly predictive of GCSE performance. SATs results at key satge 2 (age 11) are highly predictive of GCSE results at age 16. Of course, SATS results at Key stage 3 (age 13) are even more predictive. There is even a strong link between SATs at age 7 and GCSE performance. Therefore, they have been found to be a really useful tool for measuring pupil performance.
That wasn't what they were intended for and have just put more pressure on children as they get more exams.
When the government started to grade the standard of teaching, the lecturers at universities agreed to be rated by the students as did evening school tutors, but the teachers (at schools) didn't want to be rated. When SATS came in (to see how well teachers were performing) the teachers put this back onto how well the pupils were performing. :mad:RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »Newstead Wood School and St Olaves (both grammars) are both in south London and have been at the top of the league tables for as many years as I can remember. The former is mentioned in the Good Schools Guide.
They are both Kent, really, I think?
Further into south London (Southwark, Lewisham, Greenwich) the picture's pretty dire....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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