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    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 17th Jul 17, 10:08 AM
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    Nurses in Cardiff NHS face huge bills
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:08 AM
    Nurses in Cardiff NHS face huge bills 17th Jul 17 at 10:08 AM
    Wow

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40628560

    Why oh why did they think they would win this.

    I do feel very sorry for these people but believe they have acted with blind stupidity
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 17th Jul 17, 10:11 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:11 AM
    Wow

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40628560

    Why oh why did they think they would win this.

    I do feel very sorry for these people but believe they have acted with blind stupidity
    Originally posted by hollie.weimeraner
    Already covered and discussed here.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5680280


    The staff thought they could win because private parking is an unregulated, unfair scam, and hoped a judge would agree.
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    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 17th Jul 17, 10:18 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:18 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:18 AM
    Already covered and discussed here.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5680280


    The staff thought they could win because private parking is an unregulated, unfair scam, and hoped a judge would agree.
    Originally posted by Fruitcake
    Cheers I couldn't see the thread which is why I posted it. I thought it strange I couldn't find something
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th Jul 17, 10:19 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:19 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:19 AM
    Wow

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40628560

    Why oh why did they think they would win this.

    I do feel very sorry for these people but believe they have acted with blind stupidity
    Originally posted by hollie.weimeraner
    I wonder what you would do if you were issued a permit and be one of 10,000 permits when there were only 1000 spaces available.
    Would you not consider this as fraudulent ?

    Imagine if British Airways oversold seats on 18 jumbo jets ???
    Last edited by beamerguy; 17-07-2017 at 10:26 AM.
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    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 17th Jul 17, 10:31 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 10:31 AM
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    I wonder what you would do if you were issued a permit and be one of 10,000 permits when there were only 1000 spaces available.
    Would you not consider this as fraudulent ?

    Imagine if British Airways oversold seats on 18 jumbo jets ???
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    Presumably they aren't expecting all staff to be in at once, with shifts and leave days and stuff. Probably not considering the change-overs though, so maybe 5:1 would be better than 10:1.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th Jul 17, 10:40 AM
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    Presumably they aren't expecting all staff to be in at once, with shifts and leave days and stuff. Probably not considering the change-overs though, so maybe 5:1 would be better than 10:1.
    Originally posted by Herzlos
    Even 5-1 is too high as I understand there is a charge for permits
    What would you do if you paid for something and got nothing ?
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    • TW1234
    • By TW1234 17th Jul 17, 11:25 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 11:25 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 11:25 AM
    Sad outcome for the individuals involved, but they took ill judged action without researching the matter.
    It also strengthens the PC hand.
    It is too late to turn back the clock, but hopefully other employees facing this situation will obtain informed advice before placing themselves in jeopardy.
    What a shame that the staff reps and the Hospital Trust could not have reached a best available method of dealing with a space shortage.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 17th Jul 17, 11:27 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 11:27 AM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 11:27 AM
    It's not over yet,see the fighting the French thread+parking prankster blog
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th Jul 17, 12:18 PM
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    • 17th Jul 17, 12:18 PM
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    Sad outcome for the individuals involved, but they took ill judged action without researching the matter.
    It also strengthens the PC hand.
    It is too late to turn back the clock, but hopefully other employees facing this situation will obtain informed advice before placing themselves in jeopardy.
    What a shame that the staff reps and the Hospital Trust could not have reached a best available method of dealing with a space shortage.
    Originally posted by TW1234
    Sad indeed and a NHS hospital to be wary about

    I am certain that PPC's will jump on the bandwagon but they must
    be very careful when relating to individual cases

    The Elliot v Loake rubbish that mainly BWLegal used as a
    threatening tool is rubbished in court

    Therefore as is being suggested, with many of these letters
    farmed out by the low life debt collectors, Trading Standards
    must be involved

    This is not all over as a successful appeal could overturn the case
    and hopefully this NHS trust will be open to claims for abuse
    and neglect of their staff
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    • smjxm09
    • By smjxm09 17th Jul 17, 1:42 PM
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    Maybe some of them was following the advice here that private parking companies issues parking charges was not enforceable. Seems that it is.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 17th Jul 17, 1:53 PM
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    Maybe some of them was following the advice here that private parking companies issues parking charges was not enforceable. Seems that it is.
    Originally posted by smjxm09
    Where does it say this ????? It does not for years
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 17th Jul 17, 1:55 PM
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    Maybe some of them was following the advice here that private parking companies issues parking charges was not enforceable. Seems that it is.
    Originally posted by smjxm09
    Of course they are enforcable, Beavis clarified that. The advice here is to appeal and not to ignore unless in Scotland or N.I.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Jul 17, 2:04 PM
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    Maybe some of them was following the advice here that private parking companies issues parking charges was not enforceable. Seems that it is.
    Originally posted by smjxm09
    No regular contributor ever gives that advice. Plenty of misinformed posters question the enforceability of private parking charges. They are always given the correct information.

    Maybe you need to do a bit of reading before posting drivel, no doubt designed to attempt to undermine the credibility of this forum.

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    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 17th Jul 17, 2:10 PM
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    I wonder what you would do if you were issued a permit and be one of 10,000 permits when there were only 1000 spaces available.
    Would you not consider this as fraudulent ?
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    I have a permit to park where I work but we have a rota due to the car park not being big enough so park elsewhere when I can't get a space.
    We also share the car park with another company but I don't use their empty spaces due to parking invoices being issued if we park there.
    The staff are quite aware that if their allocated spaces are full they need to park elsewhere or pay or they will receive an invoice, that's their choice.
    The problem is they have ignored all the invoices rather than challenge them and let them build up as they have been given poor information or just ignored the notices in order to possibly make a point.
    I hate these companies with a vengeance but don't ignore what they are doing
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 17th Jul 17, 2:19 PM
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    Unison were approached right at the start of all this.

    They were as much use as a fart in a trance.

    (post on PPs blog )
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 17th Jul 17, 2:23 PM
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    Unison were approached right at the start of all this.
    There was a 2015 Phase which Unison managed to kill so that any ticket prior to April 2016 was "apparently" cancelled. Don't know what happened to those but the transcript will show it.

    And for any of you that haven't been to that site, it is a nightmare with cars abandoned in front of A&E spaces and ambulances being blocked.

    As usual there are no winners in this one save for the solicitors as UHW have got to work out how they will crew up shifts if staff cannot come there for fear of being targeted by Indigo.

    Indigo's 20 year contract runs out next year.
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 17th Jul 17, 4:21 PM
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    Why oh why did they think they would win this.

    Because, imo, they should have,

    The judge made so many questionable decisions, and appears not to have understood that this is a scam. I have no doubt that, in the long run, the golden thread of British Justice will prevail.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 17th Jul 17, 5:21 PM
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    The real tragedy here, as I understand it, is that there are insufficient places for staff to park when any shift is in and the nearest car parking is 45 minutes away.

    Now you don't need to be a genius to see that if staff can't get into work, operations get cancelled and patients suffer. If no additional space is in the area, then a reallocation of space giving staff more space and visitors less is sensible.

    But sooner or later the staff may very well be forced to take industrial action.

    One question - do administrative senior managers have guaranteed parking??????????????
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 17th Jul 17, 5:34 PM
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    I'm note sure this is as bad as they are saying. The "huge costs" was because the judge took exception to some form of behaviour.

    Going forward the behavior won't be there so the "huge costs" will be gone and it will be down to £20 per ticket.

    Have a feeling the judge was smarter than people give credit here.
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
    LoC
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 17th Jul 17, 7:41 PM
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    No regular contributor ever gives that advice. Plenty of misinformed posters question the enforceability of private parking charges.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    Actually years ago we used to say just that - ignore it. But then the BPA chewed the governments butt about it and the government amended the law with the ironically named "Bill of freedoms" which actually took away a few freedoms instead. That was the turning point for the whole thing and this country has carried on being fed to the dogs ever since.

    There were massive arguments on here at the time with some users saying to carry on ignoring while others could see what was going on with the government getting in on it.

    It's a shame these nurses have been hit like this just for trying to do the public a service. There is a gofundme page for them. Lesson for the hospital trust is that if you want to retain your staff you don't go kicking them in the teeth and then turning the screw.
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