GEMINI Parking Solutions

Coupon-mad · 24 January 2016 at 12:13AM

One of the easiest to beat, honestly.

A joke of a company who could not argue their way out of a paper bag let alone win at POPLA against a strong appeal.

luke123456 · 24 January 2016 at 10:09PM

Thanks, thats very reassuring....

I will draft an appeal to POPLA and post this for your advice.

Thanks so much!

luke123456 · 28 January 2016 at 11:23PM

As you can see the pics above, please tell me if you think we have a case. Many thanks

Coupon-mad · 29 January 2016 at 1:25PM

Wow, brilliant pictures! Which exact car park of the Royal Free is this because they are useful for other cases there, to help other posters in future. It's ParkingEye at the main Royal Free car park, so which one is this please?

Tell me where on the blue & white 'Blue Badge' sign do you see mention of the 'parking charge' fine?

Tell me where on the red 'Blue Badge validation' sign - or next to that phone - do you see any mention of a 'parking charge' fine?

Tell me where on the other signs, can you see anything prominent or even legible, about the sum of the parking charge (not the fee/tariff)?

Tell me how does that little glass hut with low walls all around it look to be accesible to a disabled person in a wheelchair and how would they have had the P&D machine brought to their attention anyway, where they parked?

See what I mean? A person who never knew to go to that little glass hut has not entered into any contract to pay a 'fine' and even if they had gone there, how can they have 'consented' to pay a sum that's not there in large lettering?! No contract. There is no legible 'parking charge' (the PCN amount) on the signs, whether or not it's in the small print.

luke123456 · 29 January 2016 at 2:02PM

Thanks C-M! That is very encouraging!!

I asked my friend to go back to the site and take pictures, it is Chase Farm Hospital which is now part of Royal Free Trust

So To summarise I have understood you correctly, the points to argue are;
1) the signs don't state the amount of the fine
2) the glass hut is not accessible, you mean the yellow hut? It seems very high up.....
3) I didn't really understand the other points you made, sorry....

I have never been tho this car park, but from the pictures, the P&D machine is not in the same place as the 'Disabled parking intercom' (yellow hut thing)....is this allowed...?

Coupon-mad · 29 January 2016 at 2:08PM

Well anything is 'allowed' in terms of where these things get placed but the point is there is nowhere that the signs tell a person about the charge, so they cannot consent to it in law. So there is no contract to pay the sum on the PCN.

See my post #36 above which wrongly mentions ParkingEye but explains a bit more about what to write, as well as the simple facts and photos about the signs.

Remind me, are you at first appeal or POPLA stage with these two Gemini ones and has the driver admitted to being the driver in any response yet ? If you are at POPLA stage you need much more than just the 'dodgy signage/no contract' argument, as per the examples in the NEWBIES thread post #3.

If you are at first appeal stage do not write ' I parked and I didn't see the signs...blah blah...I had no idea'.

luke123456 · 29 January 2016 at 6:14PM

Thanks C-M.

There are two invoices.

One Is at POPLA stage as GEMINI rejected my appeal.

The second I am yet to appeal. I need to send my appeal in asap.
(either way they are still likely to reject it I guess ).

I will draft a POPLA appeal for the first one and then post it here for your opinion.

There has been no admission as to who is the driver at all at any stage (except when my friend called in to ask them why a fine was issued when she parked in a disabled bay and they then said that it is because she didn't follow this weird procedure they have...)

luke123456 · 1 February 2016 at 11:39PM

Any advice please?

Thanks

Coupon-mad · 1 February 2016 at 11:43PM

What more do you need? You said one was at first appeal stage so send the usual template from the NEWBIES thread (blue writing).

You also said you would draft a POPLA appeal for the first one and then post it here. We are waiting to see your draft based on the usual POPLA examples in the NEWBIES thread.

luke123456 · 2 February 2016 at 12:06PM

For the second invoice which is at the first stage of appeal, do I send the standard response as in the Newbie thread or do I add anything specific about this disabled bay parking difficulties....

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